I don't think you have the authority to make those changes Martin. Whether you could find the addresses or not.

This is really unpleasant to read. Martin is tossing out ideas for a process, and frankly is the only driving force to make things better. This isn't assuming authority, its starting to pitch things that people in the project are asking for. 

If every new idea is met with accusations of assuming authority, we will get no new ideas, and things will stay in their unsatisfactory broken state.

It's fine to question a new process. It's not fine to accuse people who are trying to help define a new process of assuming authority.

Sugesting changes is far more helpful to get a good process in place.





I think that as develop a procedure it should have a clause for people who are unable to be contacted.

^Like this for example is fine and helpful.

But until we have that process we shouldn't apply a random one. We should develop the process, then apply it.

This also implies that the hard work Doc has done to draft something better than what we have is "random". Not very pleasant to read. Why not help modify the existing plan to your liking rather than insult work which has been done? From experience, it's really demotivating to hear stuff like this.



Generally for most things I'm of the opinion to "empower the doers" and I think that it is your intent to make things better. But I don't think we can do that with things related to governance and who is allowed to vote.

The whole point is to give a vote to people who should be allowed to vote based on contributions. We fail at this currently. If there's disagreement about that, we should hear it now before we waste any more of Doc's time working on it.

-C




Ted
On Aug 27 2021, at 1:21 am, Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> wrote:
Hi Ted and Josh,

As reported on rocket chat, the following names are missing email
addresses (or a last name for one). If you're able to help fill in the
details, it'll make it easier to keep track of who these people are.
But if not, the plan is to add blanks (name only) assuming none of the
current contributors have any further information. (this is especially
true if you have the old mailing list information with full emails)

Adrian Knoth
Aleksandar Urošević
Aurélie De-Cooman
Ben Cromwell
Benoît Lavorata
Fred
inductiveload
Michael Grosberg
Noé Falzon
Victor Navez
Joshua L. Blocher
Andre Twupack
Tim Mooney
Marcus Brubaker

Otherwise it's exact, I've fixed Bulia Byak's entry, thanks for the
catch.

Regards, Martin Owens

On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 16:28 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
> Great, please make sure to add both the votes to the board
> repository.
>
> Also, I think that we should make sure to use the AUTHORS file as is
> until we establish a process for maintaining the list. For instance:
>
> Has 185 lines while:
>
>
> Only has 172. Until there is a process that is auditable and
> transparent I don't think the list should be changed. I'm not sure
> what the differences are between them.
>
> Ted
>
> On Aug 26 2021, at 3:26 pm, Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> wrote:
> > Thanks everyone, a super fast vote turnaround.
> >
> > I vote a.
> >
> > = Votes =
> >
> > a. Tav
> > a. Chris
> > a. Josh
> > a. Marc
> > a|b. Ted
> > a. Martin
> >
> > = Resolution =
> >
> > We have decided to change the FSA language to:
> >
> > ```
> > Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors
> > to
> > the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the
> > contributors permitted to participate in that election process
> > publicly
> > available on its website.
> > ```
> >
> > = Next Steps =
> >
> > I will contact Karen to get the ball rolling on the change.
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> >
> > As a follow up the next video meting, I will propose discussing the
> > mechanism side of this problem unless there's a more pressing
> > topic. (
> >
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> >
> > On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 02:50 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > > = Background =
> > >
> > > The first goal of the membership project is to change our Fiscal
> > > Sponsorship Agreement so that it points at a file that's easier
> > to
> > > change than the existing AUTHORS file. The first vote to change
> > to
> > > using a fixed website url was rejected by vote of the leadership
> > > comittee with no overall conesnsus, so this follow up vote is to
> > > attempt a change without the specific url.
> > >
> > > There are two main options that came from the previous vote, one
> > is
> > > to
> > > publish the list on the website and the second is to not specify
> > any
> > > particular place.
> > >
> > > = Current FSA Language =
> > >
> > >
> > > ```
> > > Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the
> > contributors to
> > > the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals
> > > listed
> > > in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
> > > ```
> > >
> > > = Proposed New Language =
> > >
> > > ```
> > > Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the
> > contributors to
> > > the Inkscape community. The project shall keep a list of the
> > > contributors permitted to participate in that election process
> > [two
> > > options available, see below].
> > > ```
> > >
> > > = Options =
> > >
> > > a. Change the FSA to use "... publicly available on its website"
> > > b. Change the FSA to say "... posted publicly"
> > > c. Do not change the FSA at this time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone!
> > >
> > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
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