Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote.
Background on the vote:
The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros: * This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape Committee Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6" * It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC. * It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties that assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons: * There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website, irc, mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list. * It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing us to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
* [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee" * [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board" * [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks!
Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member
We are not a board in the traditional sense, and the SFC has specifically suggested that people not make a "Board". I think that's enough reason to rename for clarity sake.
* [X] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee" * [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board" * [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
-C
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 7:22 PM Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote.
Background on the vote:
The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros:
- This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape Committee
Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6"
- It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC.
- It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties that
assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons:
- There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website, irc,
mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list.
- It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing us
to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
- [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee"
- [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board"
- [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks!
Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
IMO, "Commitee" alone is too vague and does not describe adequately either the purpose or the origin of that committee, so I'd suggest to just reuse the more precise term that we have from the SFC perspective: "PLC"
* [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee" * [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board" * [X] Rename it to something else : "Inkscape Project Leadership Committee" / "Inkscape PLC"
-- Mc
On 08/07/2021 20:21, Martin Owens wrote:
Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote.
Background on the vote:
The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros:
- This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape Committee
Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6"
- It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC.
- It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties that
assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons:
- There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website, irc,
mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list.
- It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing us
to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
- [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee"
- [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board"
- [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks!
Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member
When I think about this I just comes down to that I really don't care either way. I don't see it as a useful change, but I also don't want to get in the way of work people are excited about doing. I think the best vote for me is to abstain.
I'm less of a fan of PLC just because I don't consider the job of this group to "lead" the project. I see it more as janitors for legal and financial issues. Individuals who decide to make Inkscape great lead the project with their work, we just try to make sure the other stuff doesn't get in their way. Ted On Jul 8 2021, at 1:21 pm, Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote. Background on the vote: The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros:
- This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape Committee
Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6"
- It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC.
- It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties that
assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons:
- There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website, irc,
mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list.
- It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing us
to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
- [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee"
- [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board"
- [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks! Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
As with Ted, I'm inclined to abstain. If I need to tie break I'm cool with that, but it seems like we're on our way to something that's not "board".
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 11:22 AM Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote.
Background on the vote:
The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros:
- This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape Committee
Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6"
- It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC.
- It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties that
assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons:
- There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website, irc,
mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list.
- It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing us
to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
- [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee"
- [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board"
- [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks!
Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
If it really needs to be renamed, I agree with Marc.
[x] Rename it to PLC
Tav ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Martin Owens" doctormo@geek-2.com | To: "Inkscape Board" inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | Cc: "Inkscape Board" inkscape@sfconservancy.org | Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:21:41 PM | Subject: [Inkscape-board] Vote: Rename Inkscape Board to Inkscape Committee | | Dear Board/Committee, | | We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote. | | Background on the vote: | | The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. | As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be | confusing to English speakers. | | To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape | Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves. | | Pros: | * This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape | Committee | Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic | and | philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of | the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as | defined in §6" | * It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC. | * It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties that | assume we're an independent organisation. | | Cons: | * There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website, | irc, | mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they | are | hard to do. For example the mailing list. | * It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing us | to. | | This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point | the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this | mailing | list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and | especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do | this bit by bit as we see things. | | Options | | * [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee" | * [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board" | * [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify) | | Thanks! | | Best Regards, Martin Owens | Inkscape Board/Committee Member | _______________________________________________ | Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- | inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | To unsubscribe send an email to | inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org |
Slipping your vote just under the wire there Tav 😄
Thanks everyone!
Alight 7 days is up, let's see what we got minus my vote:
* [1] Rename to Committee (C R) * [2] Rename to PLC - (Tav and Marc) * [2] Abstain (Ted and Josh)
While PLC stands for "Public Limited Company", it's at least got the right noun in there "Project Leadership Committee".
So I'll vote for PLC and we'll stipulate that we should avoid using the PLC acronym in the documentation/website just to avoid that confusion. We'll do the full name where possible.
Let me know if this interpretation of the votes as cast is incorrect by the end of today.
Final votes are:
* [1] Rename to Committee (C R) * [3] Rename to PLC - (Martin, Tav and Marc) * [2] Abstain (Ted and Josh)
So we'll kick off renaming the team the "Inkscape Project Leadership Committee" in the relevant places. Wiki, website etc.
Thanks again for running through this practice vote. We should each do one of these votes just to keep ourselves exercised. Chris, can't wait to see what vote you'd run 😉
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2021-07-16 at 14:39 +0200, tavmjong@free.fr wrote:
If it really needs to be renamed, I agree with Marc.
[x] Rename it to PLC
Tav ----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Owens" doctormo@geek-2.com To: "Inkscape Board" inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org Cc: "Inkscape Board" inkscape@sfconservancy.org Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:21:41 PM Subject: [Inkscape-board] Vote: Rename Inkscape Board to Inkscape Committee
Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote.
Background on the vote:
The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros:
- This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape
Committee Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6"
- It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC.
- It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties
that assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons:
- There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website,
irc, mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list.
- It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing
us to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
- [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee"
- [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board"
- [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks!
Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
I'm changing my vote to PLC, if that's possible. ;) That would make a total of [4] Rename to PLC votes.
-C
On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:52 PM Martin Owens doctormo@geek-2.com wrote:
Slipping your vote just under the wire there Tav 😄
Thanks everyone!
Alight 7 days is up, let's see what we got minus my vote:
- [1] Rename to Committee (C R)
- [2] Rename to PLC - (Tav and Marc)
- [2] Abstain (Ted and Josh)
While PLC stands for "Public Limited Company", it's at least got the right noun in there "Project Leadership Committee".
So I'll vote for PLC and we'll stipulate that we should avoid using the PLC acronym in the documentation/website just to avoid that confusion. We'll do the full name where possible.
Let me know if this interpretation of the votes as cast is incorrect by the end of today.
Final votes are:
- [1] Rename to Committee (C R)
- [3] Rename to PLC - (Martin, Tav and Marc)
- [2] Abstain (Ted and Josh)
So we'll kick off renaming the team the "Inkscape Project Leadership Committee" in the relevant places. Wiki, website etc.
Thanks again for running through this practice vote. We should each do one of these votes just to keep ourselves exercised. Chris, can't wait to see what vote you'd run 😉
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2021-07-16 at 14:39 +0200, tavmjong@free.fr wrote:
If it really needs to be renamed, I agree with Marc.
[x] Rename it to PLC
Tav ----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Owens" doctormo@geek-2.com To: "Inkscape Board" inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org Cc: "Inkscape Board" inkscape@sfconservancy.org Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:21:41 PM Subject: [Inkscape-board] Vote: Rename Inkscape Board to Inkscape Committee
Dear Board/Committee,
We had a practice discussion and this is our practice vote.
Background on the vote:
The Inkscape PLC is a subsidiary of the software freedom conservancy. As such our use of the word "Board" to describe our group can be confusing to English speakers.
To help remedy this, I move that we rename ourselves to the "Inkscape Committee" in all our documentation and how we describe ourselves.
Pros:
- This is the name used in the SFC agreement. "The Inkscape
Committee Will Manage the Project. Authority to manage the technical,artistic and philanthropic direction of the Project and the program activities of the Project isdelegated to the Inkscape Committee (“Committee”) as defined in §6"
- It helps people understand our relationship with the SFC.
- It helps us avoid getting into discussions with third parties
that assume we're an independent organisation.
Cons:
- There's a lot of things to modify. (chat rooms, wiki, website,
irc, mailing lists) although not all things need to be modified if they are hard to do. For example the mailing list.
- It's not that important. The SFC don't mind and aren't forcing
us to.
This vote wil be open for one week (7 days) from today at which point the tally will be made and the decision will be posted to this mailing list. If passed, I'll announce to the rest of the project (and especially vectors) and make a start at changing the name. We can do this bit by bit as we see things.
Options
- [ ] Rename the "Inkscape Board" the "Inkscape Committee"
- [ ] No not rename it and keep it as "Inkscape Board"
- [ ] Rename it to something else (please specify)
Thanks!
Best Regards, Martin Owens Inkscape Board/Committee Member _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
On Fri, 2021-07-16 at 18:21 +0100, C R wrote:
I'm changing my vote to PLC, if that's possible. ;) That would make a total of [4] Rename to PLC votes.
Thanks Chris! That makes it somewhat unanimous.
I've updated the website and the wiki. The mailing list and rocket chat are in no rush to change, but we'll get to them when we don't have meetings etc. I won't be able to do the mailing list one, because it's administered by Marc I think.
* [0] Rename to Committee * [4] Rename to Project Leadership Committee - (Martin, Tav, Marc, RC) * [2] Abstain (Ted and Josh)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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