Re: [Inkscape-devel] Back to: Budger Was: CMYK Review
Thanks for chasing this up Maren,
Feedback from these sources should be taken into account:
* Facebook - A poll of over a hundred Inkscape users indicates an extremely strong desire for CMYK and general print support. With users indicating that they are using many proprietary tools as workarounds, even when they like Inkscape's other workflows. Full report from Chris Rogers coming soon.
* Other FOSS projects - I've had a few conversations with some other people who work in places like Fedora. There's a strong desire to have CMYK and proper print handling amongst our wider Free Software community which is not being handled by our current setup with Scribus.
* Other - Other discussions on twitter, rocket chat and elsewhere have indicated an extremely large desire to have CMYK support.
So far, very few people have indicated that they would rather Inkscape work on some other feature. This seems to be the mass majority and also a thing which significantly effects people's use of Inkscape.
I'm going to raise the prospect of putting a $20k grant into CMYK and print features. We can discuss if this is too much or too little at the next meeting (this weekend) and work from there.
* macOS speed problems (est $5k) * CMYK print functionality (spitball $20k) * General project administrator position (undefined, probably a lot)
Please come to the meeting if you would like to talk about this further. https://inkscape.org/cals/event/2/
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 15:21 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Hi again,
I received a reply from Bryce, allowing us to build upon the work he has already done in the mentioned file (as long as he's credited as the original author of it, with the same license as Inkscape, which applies to the Wiki content anyway). Thank you, Bryce!
So I've just (reformatted it and) added it to our Wiki, you can find it at https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=Color_Management_Planning
Maren
Am 26.05.21 um 15:03 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi all,
someone has sent me a copy of the mentioned print.md file privately (which is extensive good documentation with the necessary tasks all laid out that could save us weeks), but I'm unsure whether it's okay to share it here, as Bryce has removed it from the web, along with his complete website (which may have been intentional or not).
Bryce, if you read this - do we have permission to use your CMYK writeup?
Maren
Am 24.05.21 um 15:39 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
There's also the discussion with requirements we had already talked about:
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/45
Unfortunately, Bryce has removed the writeup from his website, and archive.org doesn't have it, either... (http://www.bryceharrington.org/print.md).
Maren
Am 24.05.21 um 15:08 schrieb Martin Owens:
On Mon, 2021-05-24 at 13:58 +0100, John Cliff wrote:
- I'd definitely support Tavs push for CMYK support, its got
to be one of the most common questions we've had from users about capability for years. Its also one of the stumbling blocks to being more useful in serious print type jobs.
Thanks John,
I'm looking for someone who could gather a list of users who have requested CMYK (or similar) and ask them about what they want. Specifically the difference between producing pdfs with named colours, or just saving cmyk values in the svg (very different problems).
Would you be available to gather more information from our users to solidify a case for investing in it? Maybe Tav can help too, but as volunteers we're always somewhat busy.
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On Jun 3 2021, at 10:07 am, doctormo@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to raise the prospect of putting a $20k grant into CMYK and print features. We can discuss if this is too much or too little at the next meeting (this weekend) and work from there.
- macOS speed problems (est $5k)
- CMYK print functionality (spitball $20k)
- General project administrator position (undefined, probably a lot)
I'm not sure what these entail entirely (I haven't seen a formal definition) but if we're going off what Bryce posted on color I think we're talking at least a few developer-years of work. Spitballing, that seems like an order of magnitude off, like $300K not $20K. Now clearly that isn't something we can pay in cash right now, but I think Bryce's purpose in drafting that and working it out was to fund raise or look for grants for it. So perhaps it makes sense to budget components in this year and say "we want to do these, please donate!" or something like that. We'd of course also need someone willing to contract based on a "when we have money" basis, which may take looking towards a firm that could fill in with other work. I believe for the administrator position, with taxes/benefits/overhead/etc it was something like $120K/yr though that was a couple years ago when we asked the Conservancy for an estimate. Probably higher (like all things) now. Also, we didn't include travel in that, and it seems like we'd want this person to attend hack fests, so we should probably include some room for that. Ted
I'm not sure what these entail entirely (I haven't seen a formal definition) but if we're going off what Bryce posted on color I think we're talking at least a few developer-years of work. Spitballing, that seems like an order of magnitude off, like $300K not $20K.
I don't think it's necessary to budget for the whole project in one go. Putting together a reasonable first steps would be the way to do it, with a low tens of thousands we could kick the process into moving and **show** that the project is serious about tackling the colour management problem. This can then be used to run a funding campaign to the rest of the funding.
I believe for the administrator position, with taxes/benefits/overhead/etc it was something like $120K/yr though that was a couple years ago when we asked the Conservancy for an estimate. Probably higher (like all things) now. Also, we didn't include travel in that, and it seems like we'd want this person to attend hack fests, so we should probably include some room for that.
Because we'll be hosting the whole conversation here on the mailing list. I think it's worth linking to the notes for the whole conversations which will be kept here https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-board/-/issues/1
The next step is a meeting with the SFC to get advice for our proposal. If anyone would like another round of video meeting before going to the SFC, please let me know in the next week.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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