This one is an interesting request that might need some discussion. See attached.
As long as they are not packing Inkscape with proprietary installers or something, it sounds fine to me.
-C
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, 18:43 , <doctormo@...23...> wrote:
This one is an interesting request that might need some discussion. See attached.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anonymous User <admin@...168...> To: Martin Owens <doctormo@...23...> Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:01:06 -0000 Subject: Website Feedback Hello,
We want to become one of your sponsors. We can make an offer for at least $20.000 per year depending on our agreement. Please note there is no need for any contract, we make a pledge, and if we fail, you can stop using us anytime.
Our proposal
Use FossHub as the primary download mirror, keep your existing setup so that you can offer your visitors multiple options. Please note that we use numerous CDN providers so we can match or surpass your current download speed.
In return, we will make a monthly donation towards Inkscape or to Software Freedom Conservancy. The amount can be higher or lower depending on what you decide.
So far we donated over 1 million dollars to various free projects. Please let us know if you are interested.
Phone: +44 203 151 01 93 Regards, Sam - FossHub _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
Hi,
On 10/24/18 7:43 PM, doctormo@...23... wrote:
Our proposal: Use FossHub as the primary download mirror, […]
I would not agree with that.
(0) They are free to host a mirror of our files (which they already do : https://www.fosshub.com/Inkscape.html * ),
but
(1) we already have fastly as a powerful CDN [so we don't really "need" the service];
(2) Their business model of having an advertisement banner to get income is opposed to my principles (also, I'm not sure how much traffic we would send them, but 20k$ is like 4M views which we would probably send over a year (Martin, do you know how many yearly page views we have on the /releases/ section of the website ?) ); so in addition it would look financially strictly worse than putting an ad on inkscape.org
(3) Their policies** are sort of restrictive and very much script-unfriendly
(4) Loss of control over the files served, from us (not our website) and for people in general (served from a website that is afaik not open source*** while our website is)
(5) Centralization of official (primary) downloads places for high-profile open source software makes for high-profile targets. They were already pwnd 2 years ago**** when their major hosted projects was Audacity, with unsalted password exposed and people downloading malware.
After further consideration, and Mc's pointing out past hackings, I think also "no".
I also dislike adverts on download pages as they can be used to trick the visitor into downloading something they didn't intend to, or go somewhere they don't want to go.
-C
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:30 PM Marc Jeanmougin <marc@...143...> wrote:
Hi,
On 10/24/18 7:43 PM, doctormo@...23... wrote:
Our proposal: Use FossHub as the primary download mirror, […]
I would not agree with that.
(0) They are free to host a mirror of our files (which they already do : https://www.fosshub.com/Inkscape.html * ),
but
(1) we already have fastly as a powerful CDN [so we don't really "need" the service];
(2) Their business model of having an advertisement banner to get income is opposed to my principles (also, I'm not sure how much traffic we would send them, but 20k$ is like 4M views which we would probably send over a year (Martin, do you know how many yearly page views we have on the /releases/ section of the website ?) ); so in addition it would look financially strictly worse than putting an ad on inkscape.org
(3) Their policies** are sort of restrictive and very much script-unfriendly
(4) Loss of control over the files served, from us (not our website) and for people in general (served from a website that is afaik not open source*** while our website is)
(5) Centralization of official (primary) downloads places for high-profile open source software makes for high-profile targets. They were already pwnd 2 years ago**** when their major hosted projects was Audacity, with unsalted password exposed and people downloading malware.
--
Mc
*: « Inkscape is a source vector graphics software that took nearly half a decade to create. The program is supposed to compete with Adobe® Illustrator®, yet many users claim that it falls short of Adobe® high standard. »
**: https://www.fosshub.com/faq.html#fh-tou-o1
***: and using direct web requests to cloudflare, google, adsense, and onesignal analytics while we only use "inkscape.org" requests
****:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/05/pegglecrew_we_hacked_fosshub_so_ran...
Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
(Note that I'm not opposed to have them as a (regular) sponsor, just to the arrangement they offer where they would be the primary download mirror)
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:12 AM Marc Jeanmougin <marc@...143...> wrote:
(Note that I'm not opposed to have them as a (regular) sponsor, just to the arrangement they offer where they would be the primary download mirror)
Agreed. No problems with displaying their regular logo on the website as a supporter of Inkscape, as per our other sponsorship offerings. We could also do a "Featured on FOSSHub" sort of logo combo with a link to the download off their site to sweeten the deal for them, perhaps?
Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
In looking at this myself, I concur with everyone else's opinions.
It is a good point that our download mirroring is a crucial part of our online presence, and thus it is important that our decisions about changes to that be especially conservative and risk-adverse. I do like the passion they show for helping Open Source projects and would certainly be interested in partnering with them in other areas of mutual benefit.
Bryce
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 08:26:34AM +0100, C R wrote:
After further consideration, and Mc's pointing out past hackings, I think also "no".
I also dislike adverts on download pages as they can be used to trick the visitor into downloading something they didn't intend to, or go somewhere they don't want to go.
-C
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:30 PM Marc Jeanmougin <marc@...143...> wrote:
Hi,
On 10/24/18 7:43 PM, doctormo@...23... wrote:
Our proposal: Use FossHub as the primary download mirror, […]
I would not agree with that.
(0) They are free to host a mirror of our files (which they already do : https://www.fosshub.com/Inkscape.html * ),
but
(1) we already have fastly as a powerful CDN [so we don't really "need" the service];
(2) Their business model of having an advertisement banner to get income is opposed to my principles (also, I'm not sure how much traffic we would send them, but 20k$ is like 4M views which we would probably send over a year (Martin, do you know how many yearly page views we have on the /releases/ section of the website ?) ); so in addition it would look financially strictly worse than putting an ad on inkscape.org
(3) Their policies** are sort of restrictive and very much script-unfriendly
(4) Loss of control over the files served, from us (not our website) and for people in general (served from a website that is afaik not open source*** while our website is)
(5) Centralization of official (primary) downloads places for high-profile open source software makes for high-profile targets. They were already pwnd 2 years ago**** when their major hosted projects was Audacity, with unsalted password exposed and people downloading malware.
--
Mc
*: « Inkscape is a source vector graphics software that took nearly half a decade to create. The program is supposed to compete with Adobe® Illustrator®, yet many users claim that it falls short of Adobe® high standard. »
**: https://www.fosshub.com/faq.html#fh-tou-o1
***: and using direct web requests to cloudflare, google, adsense, and onesignal analytics while we only use "inkscape.org" requests
****:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/05/pegglecrew_we_hacked_fosshub_so_ran...
Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
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