Regarding Ellipse/Circle and Selector Tools, that gets into hiding stuff that should be visible by default. With the Spray Tool example, the toggles that are hidden are effectively dependent on the "parent" feature being enabled in the first place.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
Ok, Tav. Anyway, hidding it from toolbar actions like the first
patch/video?

Cheers, Jabier.


El mié, 27-01-2016 a las 19:49 +0100, Tavmjong Bah escribió:
> On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 18:03 +0100, Jabier Arraiza wrote:
> > Another view with select tool:
> >
> > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/7446/
> >
> > Cheers, Jabier.
>
> I think hiding things when its not really necessary for space reasons
> is not such a good idea as it makes discoverability more difficult.
>
> Tav
>
>
>
> > El mié, 27-01-2016 a las 08:39 -0800, Josh Andler escribió:
> > > Can you take a screenshot of where you're talking about in the
> > > UI?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...1367...
> > > ar
> > > ke
> > > r.es>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Josh, another question about UX toolbar changes.
> > > >
> > > > If the toolbar has elements disabled by the selected element,
> > > > ex:
> > > > full
> > > > circle selected, is beter hide it or disable like currently?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El mar, 26-01-2016 a las 18:34 -0800, Josh Andler escribió:
> > > > > I don't think there is any benefit to styling them
> > > > > differently.
> > > > > None
> > > > > of
> > > > > those options are applicable if that base functionality isn't
> > > > > toggled
> > > > > on.
> > > > > If there were an arrow or dark corner I would assume you
> > > > > would
> > > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > long-click the icon because would allow you to change the
> > > > > default
> > > > > state of
> > > > > that button. An example would be the Adobe tools or in
> > > > > Scribus
> > > > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > long-click on the icons they have for things like shape
> > > > > tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my .02
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Josh
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <
> > > > > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > First of all sorry for the wrong suject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I recive a interesting feedback from Mark Schafer in the
> > > > > > video
> > > > > > coments.
> > > > > > He point me a method to mark expandable icons. In a first
> > > > > > review we
> > > > > > have two options: Style the buttons diferently, probabily
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > border
> > > > > > -dashed- on off state or made a corner mark into the icon
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > button.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you prefer? Any one more? Is a good idea?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > El mar, 26-01-2016 a las 23:10 +0100, Maren Hachmann
> > > > > > escribió:
> > > > > > > Am 25.01.2016 um 15:10 schrieb Jabier Arraiza:
> > > > > > > > And a little video working for people couldent compile.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcNQoyO62nQ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the video, Jabier, I like your idea very much!
> > > > > > > (still using a 4:3 monitor ;) )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >  Maren
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > El lun, 25-01-2016 a las 15:01 +0100, Jabier Arraiza
> > > > > > > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > This is a attemp to make extended toolbars widget
> > > > > > > > > dinamic.
> > > > > > > > > Currently
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > Spray Tool.
> > > > > > > > > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/7431/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Feedback are welcome.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > El lun, 25-01-2016 a las 11:09 +0100, Vladimir Savic
> > > > > > > > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > Disabling is required, that´s for sure, but we
> > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > watch
> > > > > > > > > > out that
> > > > > > > > > > toolbar doesn´t grow up to big (long). :)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > Vlada
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Jabier Arraiza
> > > > > > > > > > <jabier.arraiz
> > > > > > > > > > a@...3326...
> > > > > > > > > > rk
> > > > > > > > > > er.es>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Vlada, currently we don't add or remove
> > > > > > > > > > > widgets
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > fly
> > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > toolbox, but we can disable if a knife, for
> > > > > > > > > > > example,
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > selected.
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway i try to hide/show widgets to be sure.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > El lun, 25-01-2016 a las 10:21 +0100, Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > Savic
> > > > > > > > > > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jabier,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don´t think we could afford one more icon in
> > > > > > > > > > > > toolbox.
> > > > > > > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > > > > are,
> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > usability point of view, two possible but not
> > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > trivial to
> > > > > > > > > > > > implement
> > > > > > > > > > > > solutions:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Implement Icon grouping on main toolbar
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Dynamically changing secondary toolbar.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Similar
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > path
> > > > > > > > > > > > tool
> > > > > > > > > > > > modes
> > > > > > > > > > > > (BSpline, Spiro, Bezier etc.), but with other
> > > > > > > > > > > > settings
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > change
> > > > > > > > > > > > depending on modus.. I´m in favour of this one
> > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > other tools that could benefit from this
> > > > > > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mash
> > > > > > > > > > > > gradient
> > > > > > > > > > > > and regular gradient tools could be merged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Erase
> > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > knife
> > > > > > > > > > > > (similar
> > > > > > > > > > > > to a path tool with zero width), freehand erase
> > > > > > > > > > > > (what
> > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > have)
> > > > > > > > > > > > and guides slicing (the one you have proposed
> > > > > > > > > > > > already).
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > have different options. Erase must have at
> > > > > > > > > > > > least
> > > > > > > > > > > > Width
> > > > > > > > > > > > slider,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Knife
> > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > offer an option to Crear una sucesion de
> > > > > > > > > > > > segmentos
> > > > > > > > > > > > rectos,
> > > > > > > > > > > > segmentos
> > > > > > > > > > > > paraxiales etc. I´ve copied those Spanish names
> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > screen. :)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vlada
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jabier Arraiza
> > > > > > > > > > > > <jabier.arraiza
> > > > > > > > > > > > @m
> > > > > > > > > > > > arke
> > > > > > > > > > > > r.es>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, one more icon :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > El lun, 25-01-2016 a las 00:31 -0700, Brynn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hy Brynn. I like more a new tool but ¿Is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > toolbox pixels?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a problem on open paths also in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > boolean
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > operations,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in potrace related code in eraser tool. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > proyect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solve this open path problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info about open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > path/boolean.  Several
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mysteries"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solved by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that comment :-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "toolbox
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pixels".  Do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you  mean
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > toolbox would need to be bigger, to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > room
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > icon/button?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is something technical that goes over my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > head?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brynn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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