Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Name for a new function

7 May 2016

      Yes, to me, "Deconstruct" implies separation of line from fill, but nothing
about conversion of the line to fill.
If we ever have a function that just separates all parts of a shape object
into separate shape objects with lines in-tact, "deconstruct"  would fit
much better, I think.
-C
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
...
Nice!
It's "new and improved" Stroke to Path.  Can it just replace Stroke to
Path?  Or call it "super" stroke to path.  Just kidding.  But "deconstruct"
could be confusing.
From simple user :-)
brynn

From: "Jabier Arraiza" <jabier.arraiza@...2893...>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 4:58 AM
To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "Inkscape-Devel"
inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Name for a new function
...
Here are some screenshots working, notice the not default paint order:
Before apply:
View mode :
https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct-object-14
Line mode :
https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct-object-24
Apply : No screen shot my screnshot dont fire when menu path is open. I
put a temp item after "stroke to path" menu
After apply :
View mode :
https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct-object-34
Line mode :
https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct-object-44
Also another cuestion if finaly is a diferent item in the menu could be
good have a shortcut.
Cheers, Jabier.
El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 11:57 +0200, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz escribió:
...
The new effect convert a object with one or more of this fill,strokes
or marker to a item with all converted to paths, same visual, no more
markers or strokes. Also retain paint order.
El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 03:36 -0600, Brynn escribió:
...
Seeing how it works would help understanding.  From a simple user:
"deconstruct object" sounds like breaking up any object to
individual
pieces, maybe like Ungroup, or Break Apart.  And I can't imagine
how
"stroke
to fill" fits with either of those. ("stroke to fill" sounds like
some kind
of a stripe pattern)
All best  :-)
brynn

From: C R
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 3:13 AM
To: Olof Bjarnason
Cc: Inkscape Devel List
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Name for a new function
Yes please draw some use case diagrams.
(And I like the renaming too. I'm still much more of a user than a
developer
of inkscape and that name (stroke to path) has annoyed me for
years!)
Will do! And yes, I'm going to recommend renaming it as well. It's
always
been a bit of a sticking point in my head as well.
-C
On 7 May 2016 11:03, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
I think stroke to path is already a naming convention for a very
similar
functionality, so I will keep this name if possible if the feature
is
not
too different. If a user will receive most of the time the same
result I
will try to keep it to avoid confusion. Having too many features
with
similar behaviours could be frustrating.
Agreed. This is my main reason for proposing a modification to the
behaviour
of Stroke to Path (We can think about renaming it later, however
that
may be
confusing to our current user base. As a daily user, I'm all for
changing it
to "Strike to Fill", which is what Stroke to Path actually does.
I would strongly suggest not to create a new menu option if the
behaviour is
not too different from the expected one if we think the users are
going to
keep using it as they were doing before.
To clarify:

Make a red circle with a black stroke
Path > Stroke to Path

Watch the red circle vanish
Note that I didn't ask Inkscape to throw away the fill, it just
does
it
because there is no shape to contain it anymore.
Since we have Paint Order in trunk now, this is even more of an
issue; you
don't want Stroke to Path to throw away everything you did to make
that
shape look the way it is, which may include a stack of LPEs and
markers, not
to mention the fill may include a complex gradient that you have to
copy and
paste-in-place to recover. The way it has worked has always been a
major
workflow bottleneck, and Jabier's new function fixes the problem
entirely.
Would folks like to see some use case and work flow diagrams?
If so, I can have them ready tomorrow.
-C
Otherwise, reading the feature explanation, "decompose object" or
"deconstruct object"sounds self-explanatory to me.
I don't have an answer, but I would raise some questions about how
we
think
it is going to be used: what is the purpose, what is the expected
outcome
and I would compare to the stroke to path option to ensure that are
enough
different.
:)
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...837...363...
il
.com>
wrote:
Mvh
/Olof
Är du systemutvecklare?
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On 7 May 2016 at 10:14, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Basicly, this is how Stroke to Fill should work.
How it works now:
Ctrl+Alt+C > Stroke to Path
Result: stroke is indeed converted to path, but the fill and all
other parts
of the selection that are not strokes vanish. If any LPEs are
applied
to the
path they are thrown out as well (you need to convert object to
path
before
this operation to preserve the appearance).
How it should work (this "deconstruct" alternative):
Ctrl+Alt+C > Stroke to Path
Result: All LPE's applied to stroke, then the stroke is converted
to
path.
My thought is, if we use the convention that a fill is only turned
into an
object if there is a fill set on the object, then we can please
anyone who
prefers the old behaviour. All they have to do is get rid of the
fill
colour
on the object before applying Stroke to Path.
The current way it's handled is counter-intuitive. Most of the
time,
all you
want to do is convert the outline to a fill, not throw away tons of
data.
The point is to preserve appearance, and the Jabier's new function
does this
much much better.
Thanks, that is a good explanation. However the wording "stroke to
path"
isn't that clear to me.
Now that I understand what is going on I think "deconstruct" is
actually a
quite good albeit little techy word for the operation. "Decompose"?
"Path to
fills"?
The end result is a bunch of filled paths, and the input is what
exactly? I
think "X to Y" is a good but then the X and the Y should be closer
to
what
the operation is actually doing ;)
My 2p.
-C
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...3365...87...
l.
com>
wrote:
Is there any image giving an example of what the command does...?
Like
before/after with arrows and descriptive text?
It's kind of hard to understand what is happening from the very
brief
description at the top of that thread...
Mvh
/Olof
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On 7 May 2016 at 09:53, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <jabier.arraiza@...837...285...
ke
r.es>
wrote:
Hi to all UI power!
I Just to know a name for the patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/inks
ca
pe
/+bug/1556592
See the ScislaC proposal on #5
Bryce like "Deconstruct object", me too.
Is ok the name? Another one?
Cheers, Jabier.

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