El sáb, 07-03-2015 a las 00:09 -0500, Martin Owens escribió:
On Sat, 2015-03-07 at 01:54 -0300, Gez wrote:
Not everyone liked this change, but after some time things seem to have settled and people got used to it.
Not really. I'm still aggrieved by it every time I open gimp and I
tend
to avoid using gimp because of it. It just makes editing workflows costly because xcf is a useless format outside of gimp and it's a nonsense to save an xcf to edit a png or jpeg you've just colour corrected.
I think that's just a case of muscle memory, and the fact that you're avoiding GIMP is a good explanation of why you never got used to the change. I use GIMP everyday for my work, and although I have to admit that for a couple of days it bugged me a lot that every time I tried to "save" my work I got only "save to XCF", the CTRL+E shortcut became more natural after a while. What I did to facilitate the transition was to assign a keystroke to the overwrite command, which is something you want to use if your typical workflow consists on doing minor tweaks on lossy formats. Y used CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+E for overwrite, and it became part of my regular workflow. Now I suffer a bit everytime I use a GIMP without that macro. Give it a serious chance, it's just matter of getting used to it.
At least svg is a web format which can be said to be useful and editable. So we'll have fewer issues if we did that. We don't have a
editing workflow for example, just PDF-page importing & creation as separate jobs.
I agree. SVG is a better case for that separation, since SVG is both the native format of Inkscape and likely the most frequent output format for project files.
Rather than go all Gnome on the design, we should test different workflows for something so important. Know what we're giving up if anything.
I'm not sure what you mean with "all Gnome", but yes. This is a really important issue and it has to be studied carefully. The current implementation is not good enough since it's error prone and somewhat confusing. Something has to be done but all the pros and cons of the proposals have to be considered. Maybe a good start is to gathering some good real-life use cases, checking what different users need, but I'm pretty sure that most of the users choose inkscape SVG as their usual "project" file format.
Gez