On 15 Oct 2016 2:54 pm, "Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz" <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

Hi.

Atached are the new widget pointed by C R. Finaly is one after other
because couldent change enoguht the height /padding of the widget to
put one down the other. But because we have a 2 lines info text, this
seems not a problem.

Anyway zoom and rotate widgets are styled and are smaler than usual in
GTK3 -I could minimize the padding of the widget. Maybe in the future
we need a clone of the widget SpinButton but packed with 0 padding, but
nos sure how complex are this or if this allow to minimize the height
of the widget.

C R: about your last mesage:

Maybe but Im thinking more in a 45/90º rotation as shorcuts, without
mouse intervention, your proposal maybe is better handled with a new
tool.

Realy there is "realtime" but the draw need to be re-rendered so in
complex objects you need to wait. Seems dificult to solve in the future
without taking a bitmap image of current desktop and realtime "phantom"
over real draw. but this seems not a good idea to me.

Cheers, Jabier.



On Sat, 2016-10-15 at 12:52 +0100, C R wrote:
> Based on current hotkey conventions in Inkscape, I have deduced what
> may be
> the most intuitive hotkey combo for the rotation function:
>
> Hold-Spacebar+right-mouse-click-drag - Rotation with snapping to 1
> degree
> precision (integer values only).
> Hold-Spacebar+shift+right-mouse-click-drag - 5 degree snapping
> rotation
> (integer values only).
> Hold-Spacebar+alt+right-mouse-click-drag - Precision rotation with
> with
> (fractional degrees possible).



> This is of course based on the current canvas-grab hotkey which is
> the
> spacebar.
> Intuitively it makes sense to be able to rotate as well as part of
> this 2D
> navigation of the canvas.
>
> It would be useful to show rotation proportional to the center of the
> view
> from where the cursor is, allowing the user to manually control the
> speed
> of rotation, based on the distance from the centerpoint of the view.
>
> In essence, it would be like pinning the canvas with a finger in the
> middle
> of the view, and using a second finger to drag the rest of the paper
> around
> that centerpoint.
>
> Since real-time canvas rotation is not possible currently, I
> recommend the
> following to reflect the new angle of the canvas in real-time as the
> user
> holds the hotkey combo and drags:
>
> The crosshair would be shown whenever the spacebar and right mouse
> button
> are held down together, and it would also be useful to show two
> lines:
>
> 1. A "new rotation" line connecting the cursor and the crosshair,
> labeled
> with what the new canvas rotation will be in degrees (global rotation
> value).
> 2. A "previous rotation" line representing the previous canvas
> rotation,
> marked with the global degrees (static), and an arc, connecting the
> new
I
> rotation line, and labeled with a readout of the *difference* in
> degrees
> between the old value and new value (local rotation
> increase/decrease).
>
> I believe this would be very handy in providing enough information to
> rotate the canvas without the need to show the canvas rotation in
> real time
> (which of course would be a nice thing to implement in the future.
>
> Thoughts? Anyone want some visuals for this?
> -C



>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <
> jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin.
> >
> > On Sat, 2016-10-15 at 01:13 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > > Hi Jabier.
> > >
> > > My best thinking for the shortcuts is that it should work a bit
> > > like
> > > the zoom. Undo and redo zooms, but undo and redo rotational
> > > setting.
> > > This way I could work on something, rotate it back to look at it,
> > > rotate it forwards to continue working on it. And so on.
> >
> >
> > Zoom has a tool to alow more things than undo/redo shortcuts to me
> > we
> > need also a shortcut rotation to 45 or 90 forward and backward
> >
> > > The bottom bar in the preview is too big, this is probably a
> > > packaging
> > > bug.
> >
> >
> > Not realy a packaging bug is because the 2 widgets -zoom and
> > rotate-
> > are unstyled and his height are too big by default, maybe we can
> > also
> > put one before the other, but we redice the info text size (but we
> > have
> > 2 lines now!) or change his padding.
> >
> > > But whichever visual widget we choose, it shouldn't take away
> > > from
> > > drag rotation. On canvas editing is an important part of what
> > > inkscape
> > > does really well.
> >
> >
> > Dont understand well.
> >
> > Cheers, Jabier.
> >
> >
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2016-10-15 at 01:51 +0200, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz wrote:
> > > > Hi CR. I do your idea, like it, give too much control than
> > > > slider,
> > > > thanks. Attached a preview.
> > > >
> > > > Things to do:
> > > >
> > > > * Define shortcuts and his function -0º based or current angle
> > > > based-
> > > > * Format widget to show number + º
> > > > * Give style to widgets to remove padding top and button.
> > > > Anyway I
> > > > think the bar become biger :(
> > > >
> > > > I just commit the new code to launchpad.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we could do this quite easily, without changing the
> > > > > interface
> > > > > too
> > > > > much.
> > > > > We already have an editable zoom readout. How about adding a
> > > > > Rotation
> > > > > field
> > > > > under it?
> > > > > Like this (file preview attached).
> > > > >
> > > > > User can use mousewheel easily to rotate by 1 degree, just
> > > > > mouse
> > > > > over
> > > > > field
> > > > > and use mousewheel, or shift+mousewheel to rotate 5deg
> > > > > increments,
> > > > > or
> > > > > ctrl+mousewheel to rotate .1 degree increments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > -C
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <
> > > > > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a work to our UI group, It's about the feature
> > > > > > described
> > > > > > in
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > video [1] - rotate workspace
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a recent discussion higly recomend to read [2]:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We need to define the way to handle workspace rotation:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no realtime rotation, so we need to select an
> > > > > > angle
> > > > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > start
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redraw, so the option to a tool to it become a bad idea,
> > > > > > except
> > > > > > we
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a pixel preview of current workspace to "phantom" the
> > > > > > rotation
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > Martin point, but not sure about it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rotation is done by the current workspace center, no
> > > > > > problem
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > where
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the document are on it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We need to define:
> > > > > >          * WIDGETS
> > > > > >          * Shortcuts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1: Shortcuts.
> > > > > > only one direction, a modiffier [XXX] rotate by prefs
> > > > > > rotate
> > > > > > steps
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [XXX] modifier rotate in 45 or 90 degree from 0 could be a
> > > > > > option
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2:Widget.
> > > > > > Two options: Popup from button or toolbar, there is some
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > about in [2] I want it defined to know the way to take,
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > things good and bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFQve7ofJk
> > > > > > [2] http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/Workspace-rotation-td4
> > > > > > 9774
> > > > > > 87
> > > > > > .h
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > tml
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers, Jabier.
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