Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Name for a new function

-- Mc On 05/07/2016 06:05 PM, Ivan Louette wrote: > Perhaps : > - Convert to Shapes ? > - Convert all to Shapes ? > - Decompose in shapes ? > > > Le Samedi 7 mai 2016 18h00, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <jabier.arraiza@...233.....2893...> a écrit : > > > Trying to be more precisse: > El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 17:48 +0200, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz escribió: >> Basicaly deconstruct in a "group" of shapes with fills and without >> strokes the fills and retain strokes as strokes taking out his fills. >> >> Sorry for my explain. Maybe CR, can help me a bit :) > > The CR option retain strokes of lines as lines, without converting to > fills. > >> >> El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 17:40 +0200, Olof Bjarnason escribió: >>> >>> On 7 May 2016 at 17:38, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz <jabier.arraiza@...3286...... >>> ke >>> r.es> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI I just evaluate as 4 option the CR one: >>>> 4. Retain stroke to path and add deconstruct object retaining >>>> lines >>>> as >>>> lines >>>> >>> I don't understand "retaining lines as lines". What does it mean? >>> >>> My option (1) was to retain "Stroke to path" and add "Deconstruct >>> object". >>> How is (4) different from (1) ? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To me this 4 option -agree with the Olaf 1-3- give: >>>> + More logic to naming in -a pro- user point of view >>>> - Usualy we need two steps to archive this kind of result >>>> - Final user need to be informed about the two steps process. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Jabier. >>>> >>>> >>>> El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 17:22 +0200, Olof Bjarnason escribió: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7 May 2016 at 16:57, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, to me, "Deconstruct" implies separation of line from >>>>>> fill, >>>>>> but >>>>>> nothing about conversion of the line to fill. >>>>>> If we ever have a function that just separates all parts of a >>>>>> shape >>>>>> object >>>>>> into separate shape objects with lines in-tact, >>>>>> "deconstruct" would fit >>>>>> much better, I think. >>>>>> >>>>> Conceptually it really boils down to whether this command >>>>> Jabier >>>>> developed >>>>> is an improvement of "Stroke to path" or a brand new command. >>>>> >>>>> So we get three options, in my opinion: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Add a new menu item called "Deconstruct object" (or "Stroke >>>>> to >>>>> fill") >>>>> 2. Modify the meaning of "Stroke to path" >>>>> 3. Modify the meaning, and name, of "Stroke to path" to "Stroke >>>>> to >>>>> fill" >>>>> (or "Deconstruct object") >>>>> >>>>> Here's my take on all three, please do your own evaluation too: >>>>> (1) has the consequence of yet another command on that menu, >>>>> but >>>>> no >>>>> confusion to old users (and a little higher threshold to new >>>>> users) >>>>> (2) has the consequence of (possibly) confusing old users, but >>>>> slightly >>>>> improving the situation for new users (the new command is >>>>> undoubtedly >>>>> less >>>>> surprising in behaviour than current Stroke to path) but not so >>>>> much >>>>> (the >>>>> name is still confusing) >>>>> (3) has the consequence of (possibly) confusing old users, but >>>>> improving >>>>> the situation a lot for new users >>>>> >>>>> I prefer (3) even if I'm an old time user, and like (1) least >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> options, since I don't like bloat in neither UI nor code. (2) >>>>> is >>>>> middle >>>>> ground for me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -C >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's "new and improved" Stroke to Path. Can it just >>>>>>> replace >>>>>>> Stroke to >>>>>>> Path? Or call it "super" stroke to path. Just >>>>>>> kidding. But >>>>>>> "deconstruct" >>>>>>> could be confusing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From simple user :-) >>>>>>> brynn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Jabier Arraiza" <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 4:58 AM >>>>>>> To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "Inkscape-Devel" >>>>>>> inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Name for a new function >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here are some screenshots working, notice the not default >>>>>>>> paint >>>>>>>> order: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before apply: >>>>>>>> View mode : >>>>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct- >>>>>>>> ob >>>>>>>> ject >>>>>>>> -14 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Line mode : >>>>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct- >>>>>>>> ob >>>>>>>> ject >>>>>>>> -24 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apply : No screen shot my screnshot dont fire when menu >>>>>>>> path is >>>>>>>> open. I >>>>>>>> put a temp item after "stroke to path" menu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After apply : >>>>>>>> View mode : >>>>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct- >>>>>>>> ob >>>>>>>> ject >>>>>>>> -34 >>>>>>>> Line mode : >>>>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85deconstruct- >>>>>>>> ob >>>>>>>> ject >>>>>>>> -44 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also another cuestion if finaly is a diferent item in the >>>>>>>> menu >>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>> good have a shortcut. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, Jabier. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 11:57 +0200, Jabiertxo Arraiza >>>>>>>> Cenoz >>>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The new effect convert a object with one or more of >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> fill,strokes >>>>>>>>> or marker to a item with all converted to paths, same >>>>>>>>> visual, >>>>>>>>> no more >>>>>>>>> markers or strokes. Also retain paint order. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> El sáb, 07-05-2016 a las 03:36 -0600, Brynn escribió: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seeing how it works would help understanding. >From a >>>>>>>>>> simple user: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "deconstruct object" sounds like breaking up any >>>>>>>>>> object >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> individual >>>>>>>>>> pieces, maybe like Ungroup, or Break Apart. And I >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> imagine >>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>> "stroke >>>>>>>>>> to fill" fits with either of those. ("stroke to fill" >>>>>>>>>> sounds like >>>>>>>>>> some kind >>>>>>>>>> of a stripe pattern) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All best :-) >>>>>>>>>> brynn >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________ >>>>>>>>>> From: C R >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 3:13 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: Olof Bjarnason >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Inkscape Devel List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Name for a new >>>>>>>>>> function >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes please draw some use case diagrams. >>>>>>>>>> (And I like the renaming too. I'm still much more of >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>> than a >>>>>>>>>> developer >>>>>>>>>> of inkscape and that name (stroke to path) has >>>>>>>>>> annoyed >>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> years!) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Will do! And yes, I'm going to recommend renaming it >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> well. It's >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> been a bit of a sticking point in my head as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -C >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 May 2016 11:03, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think stroke to path is already a naming convention >>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> similar >>>>>>>>>> functionality, so I will keep this name if possible >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> too different. If a user will receive most of the >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>> result I >>>>>>>>>> will try to keep it to avoid confusion. Having too >>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>> features >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> similar behaviours could be frustrating. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Agreed. This is my main reason for proposing a >>>>>>>>>> modification >>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>> behaviour >>>>>>>>>> of Stroke to Path (We can think about renaming it >>>>>>>>>> later, >>>>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> may be >>>>>>>>>> confusing to our current user base. As a daily user, >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> all for >>>>>>>>>> changing it >>>>>>>>>> to "Strike to Fill", which is what Stroke to Path >>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>> does. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would strongly suggest not to create a new menu >>>>>>>>>> option if >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> behaviour is >>>>>>>>>> not too different from the expected one if we think >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> users are >>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>> keep using it as they were doing before. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To clarify: >>>>>>>>>> 1. Make a red circle with a black stroke >>>>>>>>>> 2. Path > Stroke to Path >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Watch the red circle vanish >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note that I didn't ask Inkscape to throw away the >>>>>>>>>> fill, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> because there is no shape to contain it anymore. >>>>>>>>>> Since we have Paint Order in trunk now, this is even >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> of an >>>>>>>>>> issue; you >>>>>>>>>> don't want Stroke to Path to throw away everything >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>>>> to make >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> shape look the way it is, which may include a stack >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> LPEs >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> markers, not >>>>>>>>>> to mention the fill may include a complex gradient >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>> copy and >>>>>>>>>> paste-in-place to recover. The way it has worked has >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> been a >>>>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>>>> workflow bottleneck, and Jabier's new function fixes >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>> entirely. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would folks like to see some use case and work flow >>>>>>>>>> diagrams? >>>>>>>>>> If so, I can have them ready tomorrow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -C >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, reading the feature explanation, >>>>>>>>>> "decompose >>>>>>>>>> object" or >>>>>>>>>> "deconstruct object"sounds self-explanatory to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't have an answer, but I would raise some >>>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>> about how >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>> it is going to be used: what is the purpose, what is >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> expected >>>>>>>>>> outcome >>>>>>>>>> and I would compare to the stroke to path option to >>>>>>>>>> ensure >>>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Olof Bjarnason >>>>>>>>>> <olof.bjarn >>>>>>>>>> ason@...3363... >>>>>>>>>> il >>>>>>>>>> .com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mvh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> /Olof >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>> Är du systemutvecklare? >>>>>>>>>> Spana in https://cilamp.se >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 May 2016 at 10:14, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Basicly, this is how Stroke to Fill should work. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How it works now: >>>>>>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+C > Stroke to Path >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Result: stroke is indeed converted to path, but the >>>>>>>>>> fill >>>>>>>>>> and all >>>>>>>>>> other parts >>>>>>>>>> of the selection that are not strokes vanish. If any >>>>>>>>>> LPEs >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> applied >>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>> path they are thrown out as well (you need to convert >>>>>>>>>> object to >>>>>>>>>> path >>>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> this operation to preserve the appearance). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How it should work (this "deconstruct" alternative): >>>>>>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+C > Stroke to Path >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Result: All LPE's applied to stroke, then the stroke >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> converted >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> path. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My thought is, if we use the convention that a fill >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>> turned >>>>>>>>>> into an >>>>>>>>>> object if there is a fill set on the object, then we >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>> anyone who >>>>>>>>>> prefers the old behaviour. All they have to do is get >>>>>>>>>> rid >>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>> fill >>>>>>>>>> colour >>>>>>>>>> on the object before applying Stroke to Path. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The current way it's handled is counter-intuitive. >>>>>>>>>> Most >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>>> all you >>>>>>>>>> want to do is convert the outline to a fill, not >>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>> away >>>>>>>>>> tons of >>>>>>>>>> data. >>>>>>>>>> The point is to preserve appearance, and the Jabier's >>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>> function >>>>>>>>>> does this >>>>>>>>>> much much better. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, that is a good explanation. However the >>>>>>>>>> wording >>>>>>>>>> "stroke to >>>>>>>>>> path" >>>>>>>>>> isn't that clear to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now that I understand what is going on I think >>>>>>>>>> "deconstruct" is >>>>>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>>>>> quite good albeit little techy word for the >>>>>>>>>> operation. >>>>>>>>>> "Decompose"? >>>>>>>>>> "Path to >>>>>>>>>> fills"? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The end result is a bunch of filled paths, and the >>>>>>>>>> input is >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> exactly? I >>>>>>>>>> think "X to Y" is a good but then the X and the Y >>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> the operation is actually doing ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My 2p. >>>>>>>>>> -C >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Olof Bjarnason >>>>>>>>>> <olof.bjarna >>>>>>>>>> son@...3387... >>>>>>>>>> l. >>>>>>>>>> com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there any image giving an example of what the >>>>>>>>>> command >>>>>>>>>> does...? >>>>>>>>>> Like >>>>>>>>>> before/after with arrows and descriptive text? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's kind of hard to understand what is happening >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> brief >>>>>>>>>> description at the top of that thread... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mvh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> /Olof >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>> Är du systemutvecklare? >>>>>>>>>> Spana in https://cilamp.se >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 May 2016 at 09:53, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz >>>>>>>>>> <jabier.arr >>>>>>>>>> aiza@...3285... >>>>>>>>>> ke >>>>>>>>>> r.es> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi to all UI power! >>>>>>>>>> I Just to know a name for the patch https://bugs.laun >>>>>>>>>> ch >>>>>>>>>> pad. >>>>>>>>>> net/inks >>>>>>>>>> ca >>>>>>>>>> pe >>>>>>>>>> /+bug/1556592 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See the ScislaC proposal on #5 >>>>>>>>>> Bryce like "Deconstruct object", me too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is ok the name? 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