Well this goes back to my original comments. Collecting the info isn't bad, by itself. It comes down to the intentions of the people collecting the info. And as long as we trust ourselves, there's no problem.
Only a quick comment as you've said that before and I *strongly* disagree:
Real privacy/security is not about trust - it's about guaranteeing that whatever information we collect can not be misused, even if it falls into the wrong hands.
I think if the information falls into the wrong hands, then our trust was misplaced, and we did not protect the info well enough. If a group takes on such a trust, then it better be protecting the information appropriately.
Maybe there is some product which only can collect info which is not traced to the IP address. Or if not now, I suspect there will be pretty soon. But for now, I'm not sure if there is any kind of analytics which doesn't trace to the IP address.
That gives us the choice of having some analytics, and being trust-worthy and taking good care of that info (including deleting the parts we don't need). Or just not having any analytics.
At least that's how I see it. If there is some analytics app which only gives non-personally identifying info, then that's what we should use. I just don't know if there is any such program.
(On that note you might also want to consider statistics usually only
represent those people who do not care about privacy and therefore will likely not catch most of the tech-savvy folks which makes up a large group of Inkscape community).
Ah yes, I am aware that I'm not getting statistics on people who don't want to be tracked and are aware how to avoid it. It's interesting, when you think of the Inkscape community, you're thinking mostly of developers. But the Inkscape users we see in forums, most are not very tech savvy. Rather than not caring about privacy and security, often they don't know anything about it. (More than once or twice I've referred people to security forums.)
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Eduard Braun Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:23 PM To: brynn ; Martin Owens ; Inkscape-Devel ; Ryan Gorley Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Visitor analytics
Am 28.02.2018 um 00:52 schrieb brynn:
Well this goes back to my original comments. Collecting the info isn't bad, by itself. It comes down to the intentions of the people collecting the info. And as long as we trust ourselves, there's no problem.
Only a quick comment as you've said that before and I *strongly* disagree: Real privacy/security is not about trust - it's about guaranteeing that whatever information we collect can not be misused, even if it falls into the wrong hands.
The kind of information mentioned so far can easily be collected in anonymized form and I hope we can give our visitors the guarantee no identifying information will ever be stored (or transmitted).
I'd favour a solution that does not involve third-party servers (what Martin set up seems to depend on it) - then again it makes it easier for people to block it ;-) (On that note you might also want to consider statistics usually only represent those people who do not care about privacy and therefore will likely not catch most of the tech-savvy folks which makes up a large group of Inkscape community).
Best Regards, Eduard