The question here is wether if the Inkscape default palette should have a few selected colors or display by default all the rgb palette.

Pains: is a bit unusable (looooong horizontal scroll) and harsh (as Martin pointed out).
Cons: is more useful to have all rgb colors.

What do other similar software do?
Most of the other design software out there limit the palette to a number of colors and allow users to change it to other palettes or modify it. They also have an option to display all RGB colors but is not usually a palette. When we talk about a palette, we usually talk about a very limited amount of colors.

How to keep it usable, useful and not ugly?
The palettes from other dev softwares are not very different from the default inkscape palette, they just display by default a much more limited tonality scale with less variations. 

About Tango (I love that palette and is my default palette for rapid prototyping) I think is an opinionated palette so I won't go with that one by default.

My guess is that drastically reducing the current default palette and avoiding the default scroll with a tonality scale that could fit multiple uses would be useful and more welcoming. Is not a big change but could be nice.
I'd also suggest a redesign of the button to change palettes to make it more visible.

I'd be happy to work on a default palette proposal :)

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:29 PM brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
> Out of curiosity, how frequently have you seen complaints about the
default palette?

I may have seen one, in 10 or 11 years in Inkscape forums.  It's part of the
reason I wanted to comment to Martin's original message.

All best,
brynn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryce Harrington
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:26 PM
To: brynn
Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Maximilian Gaukler
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Default Palette

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:39:38AM -0600, brynn wrote:
> Just for a comment from a humble and simple user, I like the default
> palette. Of course I'm not really an artist, and know little to nothing
> about color theory, or what makes good color or bad color.  I really just
> like bright colors.  But the default palette seems to provide a wide range
> of colors.
>
> Quote from doctormo:
> "Unwelcoming - The colours, when viewed for the first time, do not
> create warmth and joy to the eyes."
>
> Hhhmm, they actually do create warmth and joy to my eyes.  I'd rather have
> them logically organized, than organized towards beauty.  Although again,
> I'm completely untrained.
>
> Although having said all that, and now speaking as someone who answers
> support questions (which include complaints sometimes too) day in and day
> out.  It's very easy to change the palette and it's relatively easy to
> install new palettes.  Plus, it's fairly easy to make a Swatches palette
> (Auto palette), if you want to make with RGB and don't want to create a
> palette and install it.  If I saw complaints in a forum about the default
> palette, that's how I would answer them.  (Plus I would suggest a feature
> request, if they wanted to make it "official".)

Out of curiosity, how frequently have you seen complaints about the
default palette?

Bryce

> What if the user could organize the palette to suit themselves?  Drag and
> drop? (although including some way to revert to default, in case chips got
> accidentally dragged and dropped)
>
> All best,
> brynn
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Maximilian Gaukler
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 6:58 AM
> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Default Palette
>
> To add a use case, users that create drawings for a laser cutter often
> need to set the color to RGB red (RGB 255,0,0) and sometimes also green,
> blue, yellow or purple. Similar looking colors don't work because
> postprocessing tools match the exact color.
>
> It is also helpful to have the most extreme options contained in a
> palette (just as you expect full black and white there, and not just
> some soft gray).
>
> But I agree that the color palette right of fuchsia is not very helpful
> and could be rearranged or changed.
>
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