Thanks for your comments, William.
That sounds like a good idea. The problem is that members and visitors have all kinds of choices for how they want the gallery to be displayed on their screens.
For example, if you want to see extensions only, you click on Extensions. Now the first 2 pages are very different than before. Or you can view them from Last Updated, Most Popular or Most Downloaded. So the first couple of pages are different, depending on which option you choose.
But definitely, the better job we can do with moderating, the less likely people will be to post images which aren't made with or related to Inkscape.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: William Entriken Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 4:58 AM To: C R ; Victor Westmann Cc: Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] website moderation policy
I think Just have one or two really good pages following exactly your guidelines. And make them the first entry pages. Police them heavily. People will learn implicitly to make other pages live up to those standards.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 13:34 C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: What might be generally better than a restrictive content policy is to ask what kind of content we want on the site, and set things up to encourage contributions in those areas.
For example, if we want more graphics that are usable as public domain vector-only resources, we could set up a prominent area just for that. We could also have an award system for most used/downloaded inkscape svg resource, with maybe a monthly draw for some Inkscape item.
I know, I know, but who has the time to do that? A better question is: who has the time and resources to remove all content that does not conform to guidelines?
The policing time would be better spent promoting inkscape, helping users learn inkscape, and setting up a fun way for users to contribute cc0 public domain content that can be used anywhere, with no attribution necessary. Add a donation link for the artist, and also an external link to their website, and there's plenty of reason for professionals to post great content that's not restricted, and usable for the whole community.
Reject any and all non-svg content and svgs that contains bitmap graphics (embedded or linked), with max upload size 500KB, - then you don't have to manually police it. :)
External links to other websites should be sufficient for users to post anything else.
That would be my solution.
Care should be taken for our current users who have uploaded content for years. We may want to contact them directly to explain the new policies. Some will disagree, but it's better than just removing all content before they have a chance to back it up.
Thoughts on this? -C
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:29 AM, Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...400...> wrote:
Hi Brynn,
I strongly agree with you on this one. Why should the Inkscape team spend it's time, resources and bucks to host images that are more photos than artwork made in Inkscape?
Those should be removed and new guidelines should be added to avoid those being readded to inkscape website again.
What gives us a good example of this is the following. There are hundred of really cool and good websites on the internet. But have you guys noticed the difference of quality in the images that there are in photos inside Pixabay (www.pixabay.com) and in Morguefile (www.morguefile.com) ?
Morguefile is really friendly and, as soon as you upload images there, they are publicly available. On the other hand, when you do the same on Pixabay, upload your images, the images are analyzed by an expert and they need to match all the website guidelines. Photos there need to have great bright, contrast, lighting, colors, no distracting objects on photo and it need to be focused.
+1 for having better guidelines and freeing up resources to promote art made with/inside Inkscape. :)
Regards,
--Victor Westmann
2017-04-20 18:25 GMT-07:00 brynn <brynn@...3133...>:
Hi Friends, I've been helping to test some new moderation features which Martin has been working on (and Maren helping too), for the website. We have realized that (A) we might have different opinions about what the moderation policies should be, and (B) the current CoC might not cover them. But we all agree that the larger community should be involved, if the CoC needs to be edited.
For convenience, the CoC says this:"Guidelines for User Submitted Content: Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere to the following rules: -- Art must be your own original creation or derived from artwork available under an open licence. We cannot accept submissions that infringe copyrights. -- No nudity or graphic violence. (Note: we may allow this type of content once it is possible to tag it as such, but pornographic and/or illegal material would still be disallowed.) -- No content that is explicitly discriminatory in nature. -- No political agitation or totalitarian symbolism."
Up until the moderation features are completed, installed and inuse, the policy for images in the gallery has been this. As long as the image doesn't violate those 4 guidelines, it's acceptable, even though it may have nothing to do with Inkscape. After that, the gallery has been relying on a very small upload quota for members, to prevent mass spam attacks.
In my opinion, resources uploaded to the website should bear somerelation to Inkscape. Or more specifically, those which have no relation to Inkscape should not be allowed. Here's what I propose:
Images should be made in whole or in part with Inkscape, or depict how Inkscape was utilized in user projects (such as a photo of a t-shirt which design was made with Inkscape).
Any other images need to have some relation to Inkscape, the Inkscape Project (website, forums, hackfest), vector graphics, or marginally, FOSS. (maybe not FOSS?)
This would exclude images like these:
https://inkscape.org/en/~stacymcgraw@...1081.../%E2%98%85img-0616 https://inkscape.org/en/~KarenFechter/%E2%98%8520160319-150913+1 https://inkscape.org/en/~lgimenezborges/%E2%98%85vklsd https://inkscape.org/en/~Astro.C/%E2%98%85three-musketeers https://inkscape.org/en/~richardkwok0128/%E2%98%85testing+0
The reason I feel this way, is because there must be hundreds, if not thousands of galleries on the internet, where people can upload any kind of random photo. Why should the Inkscape website waste its resources hosting images which weren't made with Inkscape and have nothing to do with it? If the Inkscape website is going to the trouble of creating and maintaining a gallery, it ought to promote Inkscape, vector graphics, and maybe FOSS, almost, if not completely exclusively. My opinion of course ;-)
So I propose the following, or something like it, should be thefirst item in the list of Guidelines for User Submitted Content. No doubt it could be worded better.
-- Images must be created using Inkscape, in whole or in part; or depict how Inkscape was utilized for the user's project (such as a photo of a t-shirt which design was created using Inkscape). Or otherwise the image or resource must bear some relation to Inkscape, the Inkscape Project, vector graphics (or FOSS??)
Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this?Thank you very much, brynn
PS - Should this be cross posted to the user list too?
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