Can we get details of addresses for the new lists before they go live so those of us with filters in place can update them? On 19 Feb 2015 00:33, "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...961...> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 05:18:00PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
Hi Devs,
In the process of moving away from sourceforge, we have OSOUL on stand by to create replacement mailing lists for us.
This is perhaps coming out of the blue for some folks, so some background:
Inkscape started on SourceForge but we basically outgrew it, and started migrating things off of it. Years ago we moved off it for SVN (to BZR), and for bug tracking (to Launchpad). As part of the 0.91 release we finally migrated off of it for file hosting/mirroring. Mailing lists is really the last major feature we need migrated.
From a user point of view, the most notable change will be the the
mailing list address itself. It'll still be mailman-based, and we'll still provide the same types of lists (maybe we'll drop/merge a few of the lesser used lists). Some benefits we aim to see from this transition:
- Better mail archives
- More reliably service
- No advertising blurbs appended to our emails
- Better mailing list administration
Today Martin and I noticed we were both working on this problem from opposite ends - me from the SF list administrator POV wondering where we might move to, and him from a OSUOSL mailman hosting POV wondering about the SF list administrator side of things. We compared notes and realized we appear have everything we need to pull the trigger on this.
Before we do so, I'd like to open this to comment in case anyone has concerns, good ideas, or just a spare +1. Comments?
In order to do this, we need archives. Of course this would create a forking point for each of the lists.
The process works like this:
- Get the admins on sourceforge give me admin privilages to all
existing mailing lists.
I've made you an admin on SF.
Administration on SF is kinda clunky. Each list has an administrative password set by whomever set up that list. I don't actually know what the passwords are for all the lists, just the handful I actually moderate. There is an adminstrative interface for forcing a password reset on the lists:
https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/admin/mailman/
Be aware that if you use this, then anyone currently moderating the given list is not going to be able to continue to do so, unless you give them the new password.
- A script to take subscriber lists and archive mboxes out is prepared.
A plain list of subscribers can be taken from links on the above url. Unfortunately this doesn't include any of their settings (e.g. 'no-mail', 'digest-only', etc.) Not sure there's a way to get that info other than through mailman. Did I mention the clunkiness?
This documents how to get the mboxes:
https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Mailing%20List%20Archives/
- The OSOUL ticket for making mailing lists requires them to join irc
for some immediate actions.
Elaborate?
- Once the new list is online, the old one is disabled and a message is
sent out to everyone on the list.
That sounds fine, but as a 0th send an RFC email to each list ahead of time explaining that the list is being migrated, yada yada. You can repurpose the background info I wrote above. Also provide a contact address for raising concerns or suggestions. Give it at least a day or two before the changeover.
One thing to consider is if rather than a hard shut-off of the old list, if we set them to bounce emails to the new list instead of delivering them to subscribers. We could leave the forward set for a month or two even (we wouldn't want it set up that way permanently, cause of spam.)
- A new message is sent out on the new list.
Does this make sense? Do you have any ideas?
Martin,
Bryce
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