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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Notebooks in internal extensions
(J.B.C.Engelen@...1656...578...)
2. Re : Notebooks in internal extensions (Nicolas Dufour)
3. Re: Re : Notebooks in internal extensions
(J.B.C.Engelen@...1656...578...)
4. Re: website (Jaros?aw Foksa)
5. Re: website (Ian Caldwell)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:55:26 +0100
From: <J.B.C.Engelen@...2505......>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Notebooks in internal extensions
To: <nicoduf@...48...>, <inkscape-devel@...575....sourceforge.net>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Dufour [mailto:nicoduf@...48...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 15:02
> To: Inkscape Devel List
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Notebooks in internal extensions
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm currently trying to use a 3 tabs notebook in an internal
> extension (a filter with some options and two color
> selectors), but Inkscape crashes as soon as an
> ext->get_param_xxx function is called from the filter's code.
> Everything
> ext->works
> fine if I remove the notebook from the filter UI code.
>
> These functions use the parameters list of the extension (see
> extension/extension.cpp, line 427+) to return the requested
> value. The problem is that this list, which is also used to
> create the UI, only contains the first level parameters, and
> when using a notebook, the notebook's parameters only (but
> not what's inside it).
> ParamNotebook (extension/param/notebook.cpp, line 64+) has
> it's own lists (one for each page), which are also used to
> create the pages' UI, and contain all the parameters that
> should be (but currently are not) accessible from the
> extension's get_param functions in order to make notebooks
> work as expected.
>
> Since it's not possible to add the notebook's pages
> parameters to the extension's ones (it would break the UI), I
> plan to add a new private merged list in Extension::Extension
> and a public Extension::add_param function to allow
> parameters addition from the notebook code.
>
> Could an extension expert (Ted, Johan?) advise me?

Hi Nicolas,
Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think the fix would be
to have the get_param functions do something like a
notebookparam->get_param if the extension's parameter is a
ParamNotebook. (right?)

Ciao,
Johan

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:29:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Nicolas Dufour <nicoduf@...2264.....>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Notebooks in internal extensions
To: J.B.C.Engelen@...1578..., inkscape-devel@...1793...ists.sourceforge.net
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Hi Johan,

Thanks for your answer!

> De : "J.B.C.Engelen@...233.....1578..." <J.B.C.Engelen@...1578...>
> Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think the fix would be
> to have the get_param functions do something like a
> notebookparam->get_param if the extension's parameter is a
> ParamNotebook. (right?)

It was my first guess, but how do you find the parameter's type from its name
(there's no "get_param_type" function or public "type" var in parameter.cpp and
notebook.cpp)?

Regards,
--
Nicolas

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:46:45 +0100
From: <J.B.C.Engelen@...2505......>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Notebooks in internal extensions
To: <nicoduf@...48...>, <inkscape-devel@...575....sourceforge.net>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Dufour [mailto:nicoduf@...48...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:29
> To: Engelen, J.B.C. (Johan); inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Notebooks in internal extensions
>
> Hi Johan,
>
> Thanks for your answer!
>
>
> > De : "J.B.C.Engelen@...1578..." <J.B.C.Engelen@...1578...>
> > Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think
> the fix would
> > be to have the get_param functions do something like a
> > notebookparam->get_param if the extension's parameter is a
> > ParamNotebook. (right?)
>
> It was my first guess, but how do you find the parameter's
> type from its name (there's no "get_param_type" function or
> public "type" var in parameter.cpp and notebook.cpp)?

>From the top of my head I can think up two solutions:
- Make a virtual get_sub_param function in Extension::Parameter that
does nothing. And override that method in Extension::ParamNotebook.
- Or (ugly) do dynamic type cast to check for param type
("dynamic_cast<>")

I'd go for the first option, and rewrite Extension::param_shared (and
rename to get_param).
I find the method somewhat strange. Seems better to me, to rewrite it
without using recursion:
(not my best piece of code, but I hope the idea is clear)

Parameter *
Extension::get_param (const gchar * name)
{
if (name == NULL) {
throw Extension::param_not_exist();
}
if (this->parameters == NULL) {
// the list of parameters is empty
throw Extension::param_not_exist();
}

for (GSList * list = this->parameters; list != NULL; list =
g_slist_next(list)) {
Parameter * param = static_cast<Parameter*>(list->data);
if (!strcmp(param->name(), name)) {
return param;
} else {
Parameter * subparam = param->get_param(name);
if (subparam) {
return subparam;
}
}
}

// if execution reaches here, no parameter matching 'name' was found
throw Extension::param_not_exist();
}

Then for example get_param_string would become:
const gchar *
Extension::get_param_string (const gchar * name, const SPDocument * doc,
const Inkscape::XML::Node * node)
{
Parameter * param;

param = get_param(name);
return param->get_string(doc, node);
}

Extension::Parameter::get_param(const gchar * /*name*/)
{
return NULL;
}

Extension::ParamNotebook::get_param(const gchar * /*name*/)
{
here a loop similar to Extension::get_param
}

Hope these pieces of (pseudo)code help,
Johan

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:28:56 +0100
From: Jaros?aw Foksa <jarek@...2506.....>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] website
To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
ended up with the old site.

Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
work on new inkscape.org site few months ago. Is this proposal still
actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...400...> wrote:
> hello,
>
> It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list I am a part
> of the server management involving inkscape and have been for approximately
> 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
>
> Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance of just
> brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people in the past
> 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had contests but
> no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame for it.
> Things are just scattered every which way
> I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl is currently
> in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so that we can
> test the SVG building more?efficiently. So stay tuned for more info on this
> in the near future.
>
> Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve this problem.
> We're going to break the website into different categories and duties.
>
> UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
> After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in HTML/CSS
>
> Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
>
> Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons etc as needed
>
> Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Skills required
>
> Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
> Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
>
> Documentation (*WRITERS*)
>
> Skills
>
> Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing content over to
> the new site.
>
> Translation
>
> We need people who specialize in various languages to port content once
> completed into the various languages.
>
> So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too cluttered and
> disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole different
> navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a user. So if
> you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact me or the
> list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going! let me know
> what you think....
> Thanks,
> Ian "Inc" C.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:17:16 -0800
From: Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...233.....400...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] website
To: Jaros?aw Foksa <jarek@...2504...>
Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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yup, completely understandable. I have contacted the people from
developmentseed that originally offered to help with the new website prior
to sending this email and I have yet to hear anything back..... so I'm not
real hopeful and it's time for us to make a move. So we're starting with
mockups. If you have a backway to contact them and they're still willing
we're more than willing...
Thanks,
Ian

2010/12/1 Jaros?aw Foksa <jarek@...2359...504...>

> I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
> advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
> ended up with the old site.
>
> Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
> work on new inkscape.org site few months ago. Is this proposal still
> actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
> would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...400...>
> wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list I am a
> part
> > of the server management involving inkscape and have been for
> approximately
> > 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
> >
> > Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance of just
> > brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people in the
> past
> > 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had contests
> but
> > no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame for it.
> > Things are just scattered every which way
> > I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl is
> currently
> > in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so that we
> can
> > test the SVG building more efficiently. So stay tuned for more info on
> this
> > in the near future.
> >
> > Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve this
> problem.
> > We're going to break the website into different categories and duties.
> >
> > UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
> >
> > Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
> > After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in HTML/CSS
> >
> > Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
> >
> > Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons etc as
> needed
> >
> > Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
> >
> > Skills required
> >
> > Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
> > Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
> >
> > Documentation (*WRITERS*)
> >
> > Skills
> >
> > Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing content over
> to
> > the new site.
> >
> > Translation
> >
> > We need people who specialize in various languages to port content once
> > completed into the various languages.
> >
> > So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too cluttered
> and
> > disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole different
> > navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a user. So
> if
> > you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact me or the
> > list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going! let me
> know
> > what you think....
> > Thanks,
> > Ian "Inc" C.
> >
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> >
>
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