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Today's Topics:
1. GSoC 2011 announced (Alexandre Prokoudine)
2. Re: GSoC 2011 announced (Ian Caldwell)
3. Re: GSoC 2011 announced (Tavmjong Bah)
4. Re: GSoC 2011 announced (Alexandre Prokoudine)
5. Fwd: GSoC 2011 announced (Pajarico)
6. Re: GSoC 2011 announced (J.B.C.Engelen@...1578...)
7. Re: GSoC 2011 announced (J.B.C.Engelen@...1578...)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:52:58 +0300
From: Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
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Hello, teams :)
Google has just announced GSoC2011.
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html
The timeline is here:
http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline
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Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:38:31 -0800
From: Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...233.....400...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
To: Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>
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good maybe we can get some Django love somewhere in there.... since our team
pretty much bailed...
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoudine@...1857...00...> wrote:
> Hello, teams :)
>
> Google has just announced GSoC2011.
>
>
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html
>
> The timeline is here:
>
> http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline
>
> </crossposting-is-evil>
>
> Alexandre Prokoudine
> http://libregraphicsworld.org
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:30:59 +0100
From: Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
To: Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>
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On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 07:52 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> Hello, teams :)
>
> Google has just announced GSoC2011.
>
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html
>
> The timeline is here:
> http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline
>
Excellent!
A few thoughts:
1. We need to update the Inkscape GSOC Wiki page:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Google_Summer_Of_Code
2. I may be wrong, but I have the sense that we have a fairly high
failure rate for accepted projects. What can we do to improve the
project selection?
3. I would like to see some projects devoted to improving Inkscape
fundamentals:
1. SVG support. You can see the current status of our
performance on the W3C test suite at:
http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/W3C_SVG_1.1F2/harness/htmlInkscapeApproved/index.html
and compare it to browser support at:
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/implementation_matrix.html
2. Improved handling of CSS. The CSS parser we use (libcroco) is
not maintained.
http://www.freespiders.org/projects/libcroco/
The SVG output of Inkscape is full of unnecessary style
attributes.
3. Improving Inkscape SVG for web use. Here's a list we came up
with earlier:
* Fix "Plain" SVG to not remove <script>, etc.
* Fix saving SVG to not modify CDATA (e.g. change & to &).
* Add option to set viewbox attribute to Document Properties.
(multiple viewbox support would be good)
* Move flowed text into Inkscape namespace.
* Font fallbacks
* Easily add/edit hyperlinks
* Better CSS support
* Option to add title to SVG (searchability and accessibility)
* Remove XML prolog/DOCTYPE
* Move sodipodi namespace items to Inkscape namespace
Tav
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:45:15 +0300
From: Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
To: Inkscape Devel List <inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
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On 1/25/11, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
> 1. We need to update the Inkscape GSOC Wiki page:
>
> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Google_Summer_Of_Code
I'll poke around later today if noone gets there first.
> 2. I may be wrong, but I have the sense that we have a fairly high
> failure rate for accepted projects. What can we do to improve the
> project selection?
Not exactly high. The previous year was a 2/5 failure indeed, but the
year before was 100% success, if my memory serves me well, and we are
talking about 6 or 7 projects in 2009.
One of disappeared students last year had been around in the community
for a rather long time, and the other disappeared student did a
successful project for GIMP in 2009, so it's quite possible that we
just had our bit of bad luck. We did have disappearing students in
even earlier GSoCs though. IIRC, this is where the "two patches" rule
comes from.
> 3. I would like to see some projects devoted to improving Inkscape
> fundamentals:
<list snipped>
All great ideas. Especially the use of CSS is one of the things that
really needs doing.
> * Easily add/edit hyperlinks
We recently had a blueprint (by Pajarico?) for that.
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:14:35 +0100
From: Pajarico <pajarico@...400...>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: GSoC 2011 announced
To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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I forwarded this to A. Prokoudine only. Resending.
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From: Pajarico <pajarico@...400...>
Date: 2011/1/25
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
To: Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>
2011/1/25 Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...400...>:
> good maybe we can get some Django love somewhere in there.... since our team
> pretty much bailed...
If you say that for me I'm sorry, but have been very busy for the last
week. Will try to add edits this week. I never had Django knowledge,
thought.
2011/1/25 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>:
>> ? ? ? ? * Easily add/edit hyperlinks
>
> We recently had a blueprint (by Pajarico?) for that.
It's not for that. My blueprint was a proposition for adding
hyperlinks to GUI as shortcuts to tutorials or key dilogs (basically,
a usability improvement), not to add them to the canvas.
BTW, please check it out and give some opinions. It's been published
for some weeks now... I now you're all very busy with 0.48.1 but when
you finish that I would appreciate your reviews.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:47:10 +0100
From: <J.B.C.Engelen@...2505......>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
To: <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...>,
<inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexandre Prokoudine [mailto:alexandre.prokoudine@...400...]
> Sent: dinsdag 25 januari 2011 7:45
> To: Inkscape Devel List
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
>
> On 1/25/11, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
>
> > 2. I may be wrong, but I have the sense that we have a fairly high
> > failure rate for accepted projects. What can we do to improve the
> > project selection?
>
> Not exactly high. The previous year was a 2/5 failure indeed,
> but the year before was 100% success, if my memory serves me
> well, and we are talking about 6 or 7 projects in 2009.
>
> One of disappeared students last year had been around in the
> community for a rather long time, and the other disappeared
> student did a successful project for GIMP in 2009, so it's
> quite possible that we just had our bit of bad luck. We did
> have disappearing students in even earlier GSoCs though.
> IIRC, this is where the "two patches" rule comes from.
There was some discussion on the GSoC mentor list about this some months
ago. I think what I learned from that is that when selecting students,
one should ignore the awesome feature that is proposed, but look at the
student's skills instead. Also, I think we/I "forgot" about the
two-patches-rule. Note that this rule is not only to assess coding
capability, but also to see if the student is capable of actually
building Inkscape on his PC (yes, this was a time-consuming problem in
last year's SoC).
Perhaps a good idea to make it easier for aspiring students is to
provide a list of "easy" to tackle bugs or very small improvements.
Perhaps this is more important than a list of GSoC projects.
Cheers,
Johan
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:19:32 +0100
From: <J.B.C.Engelen@...2505......>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
To: <inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Engelen, J.B.C. (Johan)
> Sent: dinsdag 25 januari 2011 11:47
> To: 'Alexandre Prokoudine'; Inkscape Devel List
> Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexandre Prokoudine [mailto:alexandre.prokoudine@...400...]
> > Sent: dinsdag 25 januari 2011 7:45
> > To: Inkscape Devel List
> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2011 announced
> >
> > On 1/25/11, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
> >
> > > 2. I may be wrong, but I have the sense that we have a
> fairly high
> > > failure rate for accepted projects. What can we do to improve the
> > > project selection?
> >
> > Not exactly high. The previous year was a 2/5 failure
> indeed, but the
> > year before was 100% success, if my memory serves me well,
> and we are
> > talking about 6 or 7 projects in 2009.
> >
> > One of disappeared students last year had been around in
> the community
> > for a rather long time, and the other disappeared student did a
> > successful project for GIMP in 2009, so it's quite possible that we
> > just had our bit of bad luck. We did have disappearing students in
> > even earlier GSoCs though.
> > IIRC, this is where the "two patches" rule comes from.
>
> There was some discussion on the GSoC mentor list about this
> some months ago. I think what I learned from that is that
> when selecting students, one should ignore the awesome
> feature that is proposed, but look at the student's skills
> instead. Also, I think we/I "forgot" about the
> two-patches-rule. Note that this rule is not only to assess
> coding capability, but also to see if the student is capable
> of actually building Inkscape on his PC (yes, this was a
> time-consuming problem in last year's SoC).
> Perhaps a good idea to make it easier for aspiring students
> is to provide a list of "easy" to tackle bugs or very small
> improvements. Perhaps this is more important than a list of
> GSoC projects.
Following up on my previous mail, I have started a list of suggestions
here:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Google_Summer_Of_Code#The_.22two
_patches.22_rule
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