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Para: inkscape-devel@...838...ourceforge.net
Enviado: Miércoles 1 de febrero de 2012 21:46
Asunto: Inkscape-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3

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Today's Topics:

  1. error inkscape runs first time! (Rosa Alonso Garcia)
  2. Re: error inkscape runs first time! (Jason Simanek)
  3. Re: error inkscape runs first time! (~suv)
  4. Inkscape tiling interface redesign proposal (Valerie)
  5. Re: Inkscape tiling interface redesign proposal
      (Krzysztof Kosi?ski)
  6. Re: Inkscape tiling interface redesign proposal
      (Tobias Ellinghaus)
  7. Re: Inkscape 0.48.3? (Krzysztof Kosi?ski)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:32:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Rosa Alonso Garcia <disenografica@...2758...>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] error inkscape runs first time!
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I need to learn Inkscape, but I download app and add to Applications folder, and previous I have just installed X11, I can''t run program.
>>It opens 10 seconds, and close automatic.
>>I work with MACOS 10.4, Tiger.
>>
>>
>>It's urgent, please a solve!
>>?
>>Sincerely,

?
Cordialmente,

Rosa M. Alonso Garcia
Il.lustradora gr?fica
http://rosailustradora.com

http://rosailustradora.blogspot.com
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:04:24 -0600
From: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...360...400...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] error inkscape runs first time!
To: inkscape-devel@...2181...eforge.net
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Hi Rosa,

On 02/01/2012 05:32 AM, Rosa Alonso Garcia wrote:
> I need to learn Inkscape, but I download app and add to Applications
> folder, and previous I have just installed X11, I can''t run program.
>> >It opens 10 seconds, and close automatic.
>> >I work with MACOS 10.4, Tiger.

If you downloaded the Universal .dmg from this page:

<http://inkscape.org/download/?lang=en>

The problem might be that that version of Inkscape is intended for OSX
10.6 on Intel or PowerPC hardware.

The IS a version of 4.7 that is intended for OSX 10.4 Tiger on PowerPC here:

<http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/files/inkscape/0.47/>

Does that help?

Jason Simanek



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:27:06 +0100
From: ~suv <suv-sf@...58...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] error inkscape runs first time!
To: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...400...>
Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID: <4F294BBA.5060003@...58...>
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On 01/02/2012 15:04, Jason Simanek wrote:
> Hi Rosa,
>
> On 02/01/2012 05:32 AM, Rosa Alonso Garcia wrote:
>> I need to learn Inkscape, but I download app and add to Applications
>> folder, and previous I have just installed X11, I can''t run program.
>>>> It opens 10 seconds, and close automatic.
>>>> I work with MACOS 10.4, Tiger.
>
> If you downloaded the Universal .dmg from this page:
>
> <http://inkscape.org/download/?lang=en>
>
> The problem might be that that version of Inkscape is intended for OSX
> 10.6 on Intel or PowerPC hardware.
>
> The IS a version of 4.7 that is intended for OSX 10.4 Tiger on PowerPC here:
>
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/files/inkscape/0.47/>
>
> Does that help?

See also the answer to this question:
Q162271 "Inkscape 1.48.1 will not open in Mac OSX 10.4.11"
<https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/162271>

Note: there is a newer Tiger PPC package available for the initial
release of Inkscape 0.48 (again, not a Universal binary):
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/files/inkscape/0.48/Inkscape-0.48.0-1-TIGER-PPC.dmg/download>

Later builds for Leopard and Snow Leopard will not run on Tiger (Intel
or PPC).


hth, ~suv



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:22:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Valerie <valerie_vk@...36...>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape tiling interface redesign proposal
To: Inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel@...2181...eforge.net>
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Ah well, I have no idea if the wiki image upload issue will be?
fixed, so I just made everything into an image and uploaded
it somewhere else:

http://postimage.org/image/7f9ms5kw3/


As you can see, central concepts include:
1. Transformations separated into groups that people other
than tile mathematicians understand
2. And moved to a dedicated dialogue. Basically:
?- One-time filters -> floating boxes
?- Properties that may need future editing -> side-dialogues
By the way, radial transformations to use polar coordinates.
3. Top level interface to address most common use cases,
while more advanced options (clutter) are moved to an
extra button that you can access.
4. Guides can be edited on canvas...
5. ...and locked or unlocked to objects, so you can create
half a vase, stick a symmetry on it, then move the whole
thing around as though it were one object.
6. Stacking symmetries or tilings as you would LPEs

I'm probably missing a lot of things, but it doesn't hurt to
make a few proposals to see what people's thoughts are. :)
So what do the rest of you think? Is this a direction you
think can lead somewhere, or do you think the interface?
should be taken in a completely different direction?




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:00:07 +0100
From: Krzysztof Kosi?ski <tweenk.pl@...400...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape tiling interface redesign
    proposal
To: Valerie <valerie_vk@...36...>
Cc: Inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
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2012/2/1 Valerie <valerie_vk@...36...>:
> Ah well, I have no idea if the wiki image upload issue will be
> fixed, so I just made everything into an image and uploaded
> it somewhere else:
>
> http://postimage.org/image/7f9ms5kw3/
>
>
> As you can see, central concepts include:
> 1. Transformations separated into groups that people other
> than tile mathematicians understand
> 2. And moved to a dedicated dialogue. Basically:
> ?- One-time filters -> floating boxes
> ?- Properties that may need future editing -> side-dialogues
> By the way, radial transformations to use polar coordinates.

I was thinking about the tiling thing for some time and I came to a
conclusion that usability-wise the tiling dialog is a cruel joke
(adjusting numbers by trial and error? seriously?). Manipulating the
tiling should be done on the canvas using control points. We need an
additional tool, Tiling, that would have 2 modes:
1. In the first mode, it would work like the selector tool: you could
move, rotate, skew, etc. objects, but it would only translate the
centers of the objects rotating or scaling them. This tool would allow
one to adjust the spacings in the tiling.
2. In the second mode, dedicated canvas points would appear that would
allow one to expand / shrink the tiling.
Alternatively, these could be two separate tools grouped under one
button in the tool selector.
The controls bar would contain a dropdown for the symmetry type with
icons that illustrate what they mean.

I'm not sure whether symmetries should be lumped together with
tilings. A lot of the time people want to apply symmetry to a single
path, and they want a single path as a result, not 2 paths that are
mirror images. I think that either the LPE mechanism should be
improved to fix this case, or the symmetry functionality should be
added directly to the node tool.

> 3. Top level interface to address most common use cases,
> while more advanced options (clutter) are moved to an
> extra button that you can access.
> 4. Guides can be edited on canvas...
> 5. ...and locked or unlocked to objects, so you can create
> half a vase, stick a symmetry on it, then move the whole
> thing around as though it were one object.
> 6. Stacking symmetries or tilings as you would LPEs

I think that LPE stacking is an awful hack that papers over the fact
that you can't use an LPE result as a parameter to another LPE. This
entire area needs a big redesign, which I once described in more
detail on the list as a "new XML representation for LPEs", but my
attempt at implementing this got nowhere as I would need to introduce
incompatibilities with existing SVG files.

Regards, Krzysztof



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:42:17 +0100
From: Tobias Ellinghaus <houz@...1656...73...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape tiling interface redesign
    proposal
To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID: <201202012042.23778.houz@...173...>
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Am Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 schrub Krzysztof Kosi?ski:

[...]

> Manipulating the
> tiling should be done on the canvas using control points.

Please keep a possibility to specify precise numbers, too. Sometimes
(especially with more technical drawings) I know exactly what the
distances/angles/... have to be.

[...]

Tobias
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 21:46:34 +0100
From: Krzysztof Kosi?ski <tweenk.pl@...1857...00...>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape 0.48.3?
To: Alex Valavanis <valavanisalex@...400...>
Cc: Inkscape Devel List <inkscape-devel@...842...rceforge.net>
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2012/1/30 Alex Valavanis <valavanisalex@...400...>:
> There are only two remaining open bugs that are tagged for 0.48.3
> milestone[1,2]. ?Are we planning to backport any of the remaining
> "backport-proposed" bugs?[3] ?Is it worth having a mini
> backporting-sprint?
> (...)
> [3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bugs?field.tag=backport-proposed

I have fixed the following bugs in the stable branch:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/167419
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/168942
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/184341
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/239430
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/340123
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/663667
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/810503
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/834721
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/889172

There are 7 remaining "backport-proposed" bugs. One of them is the
unfixed bug about extensions on OSX, which I can't work on.* The other
6 are related WMF/EMF export and all have fixes in trunk. I will try
to backport the WMF/EMF fixes shortly.

The fix for #810503 and #834721 introduces new translatable strings. I
think it's worth fixing these bugs even if this causes a few
untranslated messages to appear. Tell me if you think these fixes
should be reverted.

I also have a GTK update ready that I haven't committed to the devlibs
yet, which reportedly should solve tablet problems. This will go in
before I start working on the WMF/EMF bugs.

*) What is our position on the legality of OSX virtualization for personal use?

Regards, Krzysztof



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