Please test win32 plugins
This morning I enabled the Win32 side of Ted's plugin mechanism, which includes 'gimpgrad.dll' .
Would our Win32 testers be so nice as to test this, by loading a Gimp gradient into Inkscape? Thanks.
Bob
Dled the latest build from your site bob and tried importing a ggr file got an error saying: "Failed to load the requested file C:\Yellow_Contrast.ggr"
Console had the following:
(inkscape.exe:2012): glibmm-WARNING **: Glib::create_new_wrapper: Attempted to c reate a 2nd C++ wrapper for a C instance whose C++ wrapper has been deleted.
(inkscape.exe:2012): glibmm-WARNING **: failed to wrap type of 'gtkmm__GtkFileFilter' file:///C%3A/Yellow_Contrast.ggr:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found GIMP Gradient ^
Cheers
John
--- Bob Jamison <rjamison@...357...> wrote:
This morning I enabled the Win32 side of Ted's plugin mechanism, which includes 'gimpgrad.dll' .
Would our Win32 testers be so nice as to test this, by loading a Gimp gradient into Inkscape? Thanks.
Bob
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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, John Cliff wrote:
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Cliff <simarilius@...36...> To: inkscape inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Please test win32 plugins
Dled the latest build from your site bob and tried importing a ggr file got an error saying: "Failed to load the requested file C:\Yellow_Contrast.ggr"
Console had the following:
(inkscape.exe:2012): glibmm-WARNING **: Glib::create_new_wrapper: Attempted to c reate a 2nd C++ wrapper for a C instance whose C++ wrapper has been deleted.
(inkscape.exe:2012): glibmm-WARNING **: failed to wrap type of 'gtkmm__GtkFileFilter' file:///C%3A/Yellow_Contrast.ggr:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found GIMP Gradient ^
This is great but ...
I was amazed and pleasantly surprised when the gimp added support for SVG Gradients (added in gimp version 2.1.3, needs testing no export yet).
We should be taking advantage of that work and avoiding Gimp Gradients (the .ggr file format) and encouraging them to use SVG instead and standard file formats in general (gradients are inherently vectors anyway).
I look forward to testing the brilliant work Ted has done and using the other plug-ins but what I'm specifically asking for is that Inkscape does not support GGR on principle as it will hurt efforts to get the gimp to abandon the non-standard format. (By not support I mean disable it by default, or if it is seperate then not ship it in the default packages.) It is in Inkscapes best interest in the long run to encourage the use of the SVG Gradient format and any short term benifits of using GGR seem very small. (Similar sentiment also applies to gimp pattern files (.pat) as the gimp can now use any format supported by gdkpixbuf as a pattern).
I realise this may seem a bit unusual to leave out useful functionality but I can assure you I am deadly serious and hope you will consider the suggestion very carefully.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
I really don't see how a small program like Inkscape, by not supporting Gimp gradients, can coerce the much larger program into doing things our way. At least, not for the forseeable future. We are but a tiny blip on their radar. It would be like going on a hunger strike. This little plugin helps our users right now.
I think a better tactic would be to donate code to Gimp to use SVG for gradients. Then a .ggr would just naturally be SVG. Also, this nifty tool can in the meantime convert their gradients to SVG.
Positive karma all around.
Bob
Alan Horkan wrote:
I look forward to testing the brilliant work Ted has done and using the other plug-ins but what I'm specifically asking for is that Inkscape does not support GGR on principle as it will hurt efforts to get the gimp to abandon the non-standard format. (By not support I mean disable it by default, or if it is seperate then not ship it in the default packages.) It is in Inkscapes best interest in the long run to encourage the use of the SVG Gradient format and any short term benifits of using GGR seem very small. (Similar sentiment also applies to gimp pattern files (.pat) as the gimp can now use any format supported by gdkpixbuf as a pattern).
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Bob Jamison wrote:
I really don't see how a small program like Inkscape, by not supporting Gimp gradients, can coerce the much larger program into doing things our way. I think a better tactic would be to donate code to Gimp to use SVG for gradients. Positive karma all around.
Agreed, and even if we could be coercive, I don't think we should. We wouldn't want other projects to coerce us into doing things, after all.
Bryce
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Bob Jamison wrote:
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:20:28 -0500 From: Bob Jamison <rjamison@...357...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Please test win32 plugins
I really don't see how a small program like Inkscape, by not supporting Gimp gradients, can coerce the much larger program into doing things our way.
It is not about coercing the the gimp developers.
At the moment it is easier to create a gimp gradient in .ggr format than it is to create an SVG Gradient. The gimp has a better gradient editor (shock horror, I'm praising the gimp user interface!). Putting any small barrier or disincentive to using GGR will make SVG the better choice.
I think a better tactic would be to donate code to Gimp to use SVG for gradients. Then a .ggr would just naturally be SVG. Also, this nifty tool can in the meantime convert their gradients to SVG.
The gimp has support for using SVG Gradients as of version 2.1.3 which I indicated in my previous mail. I asked, pointed to the gradients I had made available at OpenClipart.org and the gimp developers were kind enough to add the functionality. So far it is import only, there is no export yet and because it is an unstable release of the gimp it wont get much exposure until gimp 2.2 is released. (With any luck gimp 2.2 will be released within a month or two but who knows.)
If anyone has the time to build the unstable releases of the gimp and help test this functionality or even help improve it that would be great. However that is a seperate issue from not including GGR support in Inkscape.
I knew it was a long-shot when I suggested it but I felt I had to suggest it anyway. At the very least I am drawing attention to the SVG Gradient support in the gimp that some may not yet have been aware of and people will make a point of testing it when they next upgrade their copy of the gimp.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
We should be taking advantage of that work and avoiding Gimp Gradients (the .ggr file format) and encouraging them to use SVG instead and standard file formats in general (gradients are inherently vectors anyway).
This is a good point that Gimp should be encouraged to support the SVG gradient format, and certainly one of Inkscape's core goals is to seek improved compliance with SVG.
However, as a general policy I don't know if we really want to use feature disablement as a mechanism for achieving those goals; it seems a tad manipulative. Instead of "using the stick", I think we will get better results and better inter-project relations via "using the carrot" type approaches.
Adding support to Inkscape for a Gimp file format seems to me to be a good example of a "using the carrot" approach. This creates a valuable feature that helps Gimp users make better use of Inkscape. Rather than disincentivizing Gimp developers from needing to support SVG gradients, I think it serves to increase the awareness of interoperability between the projects, and opens the question, "Well, if Inkscape supports X from Gimp, doesn't it make sense for Gimp to support the converse from Inkscape too?"
In general, I would think that we'd want to enable or disable a feature specifically on that feature's qualities. For example, if it requires an unusual dependency or would add 'bloat' to Inkscape, it makes sense to either not ship it with the core, or provide it as a non-default option. In the case of the Gimp plugin it may make sense to ship it separately for the purpose of serving as a proof of concept for the extension system, for example. However, if there are no technical or legal considerations to its use, and if it's a worthwhile feature that will benefit developers or users a lot, then we should include it. One of the founding principles was to keep development open and to be as inclusive as we can of the features that can be added to the codebase.
Bryce
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
We should be taking advantage of that work and avoiding Gimp Gradients (the .ggr file format) and encouraging them to use SVG instead and standard file formats in general (gradients are inherently vectors anyway).
This is a good point that Gimp should be encouraged to support the SVG gradient format, and certainly one of Inkscape's core goals is to seek improved compliance with SVG.
an unusual dependency or would add 'bloat' to Inkscape, it makes sense to either not ship it with the core, or provide it as a non-default option. In the case of the Gimp plugin it may make sense to ship it separately for the purpose of serving as a proof of concept for the extension system, for example. However, if there are no technical or
shipping it seperately would be enough I think.
now I'm off to gather screenshots of gradient editors and to try and put together some mockups. hopefully inkscape can in the future have such a good and easy to use gradient editor that using it to produce SVG Gradients and sharing them with the gimp will become the obvious choice.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
What we really need is a good mockup of editing gradients on the canvas. Check out my screenshots of illustrator on my website as well.
http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/ http://protofunk.org/projects/group/inkscape/reference/adobeillustrator/10/
Jon
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 03:45, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
We should be taking advantage of that work and avoiding Gimp Gradients (the .ggr file format) and encouraging them to use SVG instead and standard file formats in general (gradients are inherently vectors anyway).
This is a good point that Gimp should be encouraged to support the SVG gradient format, and certainly one of Inkscape's core goals is to seek improved compliance with SVG.
an unusual dependency or would add 'bloat' to Inkscape, it makes sense to either not ship it with the core, or provide it as a non-default option. In the case of the Gimp plugin it may make sense to ship it separately for the purpose of serving as a proof of concept for the extension system, for example. However, if there are no technical or
shipping it seperately would be enough I think.
now I'm off to gather screenshots of gradient editors and to try and put together some mockups. hopefully inkscape can in the future have such a good and easy to use gradient editor that using it to produce SVG Gradients and sharing them with the gimp will become the obvious choice.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Jon Phillips wrote:
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:28:25 +0900 From: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: inkscape inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Please test win32 plugins
What we really need is a good mockup of editing gradients on the canvas. Check out my screenshots of illustrator on my website as well.
oooh lots of Adobe Illustrator screenshots
http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/
Windows XP is hideous looking, I dont know how you can stand it. You realise you can save resources by disabling theming entirely and you get back to the Windows 2000 look (which is differnt from using the theme manager to set to the look to Windows 2000, which saves no resources).
Have you played with the graph tools? It sucks that the graphs are not easily editable/adjustable after they are created. Gnumeric has similar tools which back onto SVG and they are in the process of rolling them out into a seperate libgoffice library which hopefully Inkscape will be able to take advantage of at some point.
umm Not Found
http://protofunk.org/projects/group/inkscape/reference/adobeillustrator/10/
i get Not Found for all of that path except http://www.rejon.org/projects/
- Alan
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