I know it has already been discussed before, but I can't find any conclusion.
We (me and Elisa) need to use the Inkscape logo in two contexts: . to create a customized logos for the inkscape-fr and planet Inkscape-fr websites; . in a book we're currently writing, adapted in our drawings.
All of these uses need that the logo allows modifications, and the last one no commercial limitation. We plan to release our work very shortly and we really need to know what to do.
Thanks. -- Nicolas
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 12:23 +0000, Nicolas Dufour wrote:
I know it has already been discussed before, but I can't find any conclusion.
We (me and Elisa) need to use the Inkscape logo in two contexts: .. to create a customized logos for the inkscape-fr and planet Inkscape-fr websites; .. in a book we're currently writing, adapted in our drawings.
All of these uses need that the logo allows modifications, and the last one no commercial limitation. We plan to release our work very shortly and we really need to know what to do.
Honestly, there isn't a good clean answer right now to that question.
We have filed for a trademark on the logo and name, hopefully that will be granted. We don't yet have a trademark policy. I've asked SFLC if they have a generic one that we could use, as we're not interested in being overly protective, more that we're interested in making sure others don't sue us for using our own name. But, that is a work in progress.
The copyright on the implementation of the logo has not been consolidated. There are several people who have worked on the implementation, I believe that all of them would be happy with people using their work to promote Inkscape. That was their goal. The logo has been shipped with Inkscape for several years with the whole package being stated as GPL.
So, from a legal perspective, it's unclear. But, I think (IANAL), that as long as you use the logo in good faith to promote and improve the Inkscape project you'll not run into any problems.
--Ted
We have filed for a trademark on the logo and name, hopefully that will be granted. We don't yet have a trademark policy. I've asked SFLC if they have a generic one that we could use, as we're not interested in being overly protective, more that we're interested in making sure others don't sue us for using our own name. But, that is a work in progress.
Ok. I'll add a trademark note where necessary. Who's the logo's (and the trademark's) owner?
The copyright on the implementation of the logo has not been consolidated. There are several people who have worked on the implementation, I believe that all of them would be happy with people using their work to promote Inkscape. That was their goal. The logo has been shipped with Inkscape for several years with the whole package being stated as GPL.
That's the goal. Promote Inkscape, and the artists who use it. Our drawings based on the original logo will be freely available. We plan to use a GPL license, or maybe a very permissive CC license (CC-by). But we can adapt it as soon as a copyright is clearly defined.
So, from a legal perspective, it's unclear. But, I think (IANAL), that as long as you use the logo in good faith to promote and improve the Inkscape project you'll not run into any problems.
I feel more confident now. :) Thanks for your answer. -- Nicolas
Hello, y'all.
I noticed this mail today, and the subject caught my interest, having studied much on the subject of trademarking, and copyright "back in the day".
At risk of shooting myself in the foot (again!), i might as well refresh your memory. You might recall an e-mail from me-- some time ago this year-- blabbering on about some sh_t, permission to use inkscape.org content, or what not? if not-- no matter, you're better off! the point is-- at the time, i was trying to put forth some effort to help the project. i am a firm believer in helping / contributing to that which inspires me-- but only to the extent that my skill / knowledge / capacity are great enough that my affiliation is an asset to the whole.
At the time i wrote, previously, it didn't occur to me all of the issues of "business work" which must have to be done, to protect the interests of the project, as discussed below-- which brings me to the reason for writing: Because of the way "my ears perked up" when reading this mail, I'd like to just tell you a bit about myself / my background, for the possibility that my experience / skills, might be recognized as a potential asset to the project.
I realize it's not the same audience / line of business, but I have a lot of experience in the music industry, from delivering live performances behind a '78 Les Paul, to phoning A&R at Sony, etc as a publicist for a major venue.
Going back a bit but that's where it starts, from age fifteen until about age 34, I was a professional musician. one of my projects reached high enough in its success that we were nominated for an AMA award (see http://last.fm/music/american_sona/ ), and being petitioned by L.A. agencies to fly out and perform, albeit, at our expense, but-- it's a game; a gamble, and we couldn't afford to play that hand (hello, musicians-- like the "F- R- E- E, that spells free" guy!). the point is: i have been around the block in an industry where, around nearly every corner, there is some unexpected legal, branding, production, human resources, whatever kind of issue-- that you'd never imagine could exist, ya know? (for example,back in '96, there was this pretty cool thing i learned. HTML? that was weird. who'd a thunk it?)
It's not all guitars, and music-particular stuff. I put the guitar down, and got into the "business side", promoting the local, original-music scene-- trying to give others a break, wanting to share w/ others what i had learned. It became an event i called "Skellerpalooza" http://tinyurl.com/dbok4m (think "american idol", but bands, and no 'cover-tunes'!, and no pretty ladies! ha!). The owner of a pretty hip club was turned-on by my dedication, and gave me a gig at his club as Publicist, handling promo materials, and coordinating the street-team [which was easy: penn state kids, into music-- c'mon!] for upcoming shows at a [former] venue, "the Crowbar", State College (16801) -- a neat little club, big enough for the National C-list circuit. I, as their sole publicist, and general bitch-boy, had my hands in every major event.
Outside of fantasy-land, I worked for a major corporation as "Educator", training new people. I have a degree in Curriculum and Instruction, and I've instructed private guitar lessons for 20 years. ( StateCollegeGuitarLessons.com )
I've got connects at Penn State University, and NMSU, where a friend / colleague is "down-in-it", on the cutting edge of-- "E-Learning" (i.e. beyond moodle).
Anyway-- all of this, i "throw out there". If someone "picks it up", just get in touch w/ me, and let me know what you need. Please don't be shy if you /think/ i might know something about this or that-- just ask, or give me a piece of your mind. whatever, but i am dedicated to my work to take pride in it, and i'm not afriad to say "man, i have no idea how to do that!", while conversely-- not afraid to say "i'd love to do this, but i need some help getting started".
eh, you get the idea. (long-winded? naw!) thanks for your time. -Jeffrey
P.S. you may not like my writing, but i can write-- if you need any help w/ English stuff, docbook, proofreading, exercism. i realize transliterations are where it's at, but, sheeuweeei, Paw! him dun speeka nun else but dis here Duke-bouys talk!
P.P.S. don' worry: no more novellas from me. i promise....i've said it all already, anyway!
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:17:13 +0000 (GMT), Nicolas Dufour <nicoduf@...48...> wrote:
We have filed for a trademark on the logo and name, hopefully that will be granted. We don't yet have a trademark policy. I've asked SFLC if they have a generic one that we could use, as we're not interested in being overly protective, more that we're interested in making sure others don't sue us for using our own name. But, that is a work in progress.
Ok. I'll add a trademark note where necessary. Who's the logo's (and the trademark's) owner?
The copyright on the implementation of the logo has not been consolidated. There are several people who have worked on the implementation, I believe that all of them would be happy with people using their work to promote Inkscape. That was their goal. The logo has been shipped with Inkscape for several years with the whole package being stated as GPL.
That's the goal. Promote Inkscape, and the artists who use it. Our drawings based on the original logo will be freely available. We plan to use a GPL license, or maybe a very permissive CC license (CC-by). But
we
can adapt it as soon as a copyright is clearly defined.
So, from a legal perspective, it's unclear. But, I think (IANAL), that as long as you use the logo in good faith to promote and improve the Inkscape project you'll not run into any problems.
I feel more confident now. :) Thanks for your answer. -- Nicolas
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