Hi all,
At the hackfest today we discussed the Boost test suite vs. the Google test suite. Both options are very good and better than cxxtest that we use currently, and should be straightforward to move to.
We tentatively decided on Google test. 2geom uses it, so many of us already have familiarity with it, and it will keep the two projects consistent. Boost's commands have prefixes which makes for a bit more typing, whereas Google test's are more brief. KK liked Google test's handling of templates better too.
Does anyone have a strong differing option?
We're hoping to have the decision finalized by the end of the week.
Bryce
I support the switch to Google Test Framework. -- Christoffer Holmstedt
2015-04-27 0:45 GMT+02:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
Hi all,
At the hackfest today we discussed the Boost test suite vs. the Google test suite. Both options are very good and better than cxxtest that we use currently, and should be straightforward to move to.
We tentatively decided on Google test. 2geom uses it, so many of us already have familiarity with it, and it will keep the two projects consistent. Boost's commands have prefixes which makes for a bit more typing, whereas Google test's are more brief. KK liked Google test's handling of templates better too.
Does anyone have a strong differing option?
We're hoping to have the decision finalized by the end of the week.
Bryce
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It's been a week and I've only heard expressions of support for the switch, so let's go ahead and make the decision official. We'll switch from cxxtest to google test as our unit testing framework.
Anyone wishing to work on adding google test, please proceed.
In contrast to our ambitions of factoring *out* dependencies, with the test harness we will want to copy the gtest framework *in* tree.
Do not delete the existing cxxtest harness until all tests are converted over, and we've done one release with gtest.
Bryce
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 03:45:11PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all,
At the hackfest today we discussed the Boost test suite vs. the Google test suite. Both options are very good and better than cxxtest that we use currently, and should be straightforward to move to.
We tentatively decided on Google test. 2geom uses it, so many of us already have familiarity with it, and it will keep the two projects consistent. Boost's commands have prefixes which makes for a bit more typing, whereas Google test's are more brief. KK liked Google test's handling of templates better too.
Does anyone have a strong differing option?
We're hoping to have the decision finalized by the end of the week.
Bryce
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Hi Bryce and others,
I'd like to get a news item conclusing the hackfest onto the website. Would any of you be interested in putting together the cmake and google test (and any other details) for an update item?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sat, 2015-05-02 at 18:41 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
It's been a week and I've only heard expressions of support for the switch, so let's go ahead and make the decision official. We'll switch from cxxtest to google test as our unit testing framework.
Anyone wishing to work on adding google test, please proceed.
In contrast to our ambitions of factoring *out* dependencies, with the test harness we will want to copy the gtest framework *in* tree.
Do not delete the existing cxxtest harness until all tests are converted over, and we've done one release with gtest.
Bryce
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 03:45:11PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all,
At the hackfest today we discussed the Boost test suite vs. the Google test suite. Both options are very good and better than cxxtest that we use currently, and should be straightforward to move to.
We tentatively decided on Google test. 2geom uses it, so many of us already have familiarity with it, and it will keep the two projects consistent. Boost's commands have prefixes which makes for a bit more typing, whereas Google test's are more brief. KK liked Google test's handling of templates better too.
Does anyone have a strong differing option?
We're hoping to have the decision finalized by the end of the week.
Bryce
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And please add a photo! ;) - and if possible, make it a bit less technical than the article about the ongoing hackfest - maybe add in a few explanations, so that all our users and donors can roughly understand what it's about, without leaving out the important infrastructure decisions.
Should the Hackfest donation page be unpublished when that news is on the site? (Would be good to not delete it, or at least to keep a copy of the texts, so we have a text basis for next time).
Maren
Am 03.05.2015 um 08:21 schrieb Martin Owens:
Hi Bryce and others,
I'd like to get a news item conclusing the hackfest onto the website. Would any of you be interested in putting together the cmake and google test (and any other details) for an update item?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sat, 2015-05-02 at 18:41 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
It's been a week and I've only heard expressions of support for the switch, so let's go ahead and make the decision official. We'll switch from cxxtest to google test as our unit testing framework.
Anyone wishing to work on adding google test, please proceed.
In contrast to our ambitions of factoring *out* dependencies, with the test harness we will want to copy the gtest framework *in* tree.
Do not delete the existing cxxtest harness until all tests are converted over, and we've done one release with gtest.
Bryce
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 03:45:11PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all,
At the hackfest today we discussed the Boost test suite vs. the Google test suite. Both options are very good and better than cxxtest that we use currently, and should be straightforward to move to.
We tentatively decided on Google test. 2geom uses it, so many of us already have familiarity with it, and it will keep the two projects consistent. Boost's commands have prefixes which makes for a bit more typing, whereas Google test's are more brief. KK liked Google test's handling of templates better too.
Does anyone have a strong differing option?
We're hoping to have the decision finalized by the end of the week.
Bryce
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On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 14:37 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Should the Hackfest donation page be unpublished when that news is on the site? (Would be good to not delete it, or at least to keep a copy of the texts, so we have a text basis for next time).
Yes, we should clean up bits that mention the up and coming hackfest.
Martin,
What's our status on the news item?
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 02:21:32AM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
Hi Bryce and others,
I'd like to get a news item conclusing the hackfest onto the website. Would any of you be interested in putting together the cmake and google test (and any other details) for an update item?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sat, 2015-05-02 at 18:41 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
It's been a week and I've only heard expressions of support for the switch, so let's go ahead and make the decision official. We'll switch from cxxtest to google test as our unit testing framework.
Anyone wishing to work on adding google test, please proceed.
In contrast to our ambitions of factoring *out* dependencies, with the test harness we will want to copy the gtest framework *in* tree.
Do not delete the existing cxxtest harness until all tests are converted over, and we've done one release with gtest.
Bryce
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 03:45:11PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all,
At the hackfest today we discussed the Boost test suite vs. the Google test suite. Both options are very good and better than cxxtest that we use currently, and should be straightforward to move to.
We tentatively decided on Google test. 2geom uses it, so many of us already have familiarity with it, and it will keep the two projects consistent. Boost's commands have prefixes which makes for a bit more typing, whereas Google test's are more brief. KK liked Google test's handling of templates better too.
Does anyone have a strong differing option?
We're hoping to have the decision finalized by the end of the week.
Bryce
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On 17 May 2015 at 23:30, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
What's our status on the news item?
Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea.
I'm adding the inkscape-user community to the discussion.
Dear users. If you'd like to help inkscape in a small way, we require a piece of news to be written/edited for the recent hackfest. It's an exciting event where inkscape developers got together to talk about the future of inkscape. The job involves going to some of the attendees on irc or via email and conducting a small interview. Use questions you yourself would be interested in hearing about and construct a 200-400 word article. Multi language versions acceptable.
Please respond in public on the list if you're interested.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:53 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On 17 May 2015 at 23:30, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
What's our status on the news item?
Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea.
I'm adding the inkscape-user community to the discussion.
Dear users. If you'd like to help inkscape in a small way, we require a piece of news to be written/edited for the recent hackfest. It's an exciting event where inkscape developers got together to talk about the future of inkscape. The job involves going to some of the attendees on irc or via email and conducting a small interview. Use questions you yourself would be interested in hearing about and construct a 200-400 word article. Multi language versions acceptable.
Please respond in public on the list if you're interested.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
I like the idea of having a user put together a short news article.
I should mention that I am putting together a lengthy summary of the meeting. We covered quite a bit so it is taking some time.
Tav
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 04:59:44PM +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:53 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On 17 May 2015 at 23:30, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
What's our status on the news item?
Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea.
I'm adding the inkscape-user community to the discussion.
Dear users. If you'd like to help inkscape in a small way, we require a piece of news to be written/edited for the recent hackfest. It's an exciting event where inkscape developers got together to talk about the future of inkscape. The job involves going to some of the attendees on irc or via email and conducting a small interview. Use questions you yourself would be interested in hearing about and construct a 200-400 word article. Multi language versions acceptable.
Please respond in public on the list if you're interested.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
I like the idea of having a user put together a short news article.
I should mention that I am putting together a lengthy summary of the meeting. We covered quite a bit so it is taking some time.
Thanks for the update Tav, looking forward to seeing it. Can you give a rough eta?
Thanks, Bryce
On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 21:24 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
I should mention that I am putting together a lengthy summary of the meeting. We covered quite a bit so it is taking some time.
Thanks for the update Tav, looking forward to seeing it. Can you give a rough eta?
A couple of days.
Ah-ha! I never have even read this thread, because I don't know what the title even means.
Some questions: -- Where will the article be seen or published? On the website? -- If not the website, what's the targeted audience?
I would enjoy doing this, to explain to other people with my level of tech-savvy-ness. However, if a more technical content is needed.....well, as I said, I don't even know what the title of this thread means....so I would not be the best person for the job, in that case.
But I am curious :-)
brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:53 AM To: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...961...> Cc: "inkscape-devel" <inkscape-devel@...6...>; "Inkscape User Community" inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] [Inkscape-devel] RFC: Switch to Google Testframework
On 17 May 2015 at 23:30, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
What's our status on the news item?
Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea.
I'm adding the inkscape-user community to the discussion.
Dear users. If you'd like to help inkscape in a small way, we require a piece of news to be written/edited for the recent hackfest. It's an exciting event where inkscape developers got together to talk about the future of inkscape. The job involves going to some of the attendees on irc or via email and conducting a small interview. Use questions you yourself would be interested in hearing about and construct a 200-400 word article. Multi language versions acceptable.
Please respond in public on the list if you're interested.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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On 18 May 2015 at 11:02, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ah-ha! I never have even read this thread, because I don't know what the title even means.
Some questions: -- Where will the article be seen or published? On the website? -- If not the website, what's the targeted audience?
On the website.
Non technical users.
The more detailed and technical summary can follow, or we can add it to our wiki, launchpad updates or just mailing list. But the core and start or the news article should be user centric. And that's where a user comes in, because they're most likely to know what questions to ask and what to edit out as being too technical.
Martin,
Hi again, Everyone, Someone just asked me how the work on this article is going, and I didn't even realize I was supposed to do it. I guess it's because I've never participated in a programming or open development community mailing list before (or any mailing list). Apparently my asking questions about it, and Martin replying constituted a "go ahead". But I thought since there were no further comments directed to me, that you didn't want me to do it, and you were waiting for someone else to offer to do it. So I apologize for the delay, and I'll get to work right away, if you want me to.
If you want me to, is this the correct list of attendees?
Bryce Tav Josh Jabier Krzysztof Alex Amelia insaner/Raphael
I guess there will be no problems contacting them through their list address? Was the agenda outlined here: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015_Topics, fairly well adhered to? Or did things end up going out to other topics as well. I'm thinking of using that as a starting place to compose what questions I want to ask. Although I will also ask each attendee what their unique focus or contribution was, and ask a question or 2 on that. On that wiki page, it looks like some info has been updated since the hackfest, although I have not learned how to read the wiki history (in a really meaningful way) yet. But are some results of the hackfest already mentioned there? In Martin's first msg, he said, "Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea." Where is that info? Do you mean it's to be included? Or the main idea is just 'write a review/article'? When looking at that 2015 Topics wiki page, it's hard to image writing such a short article as 200 to 400 words (because explaining complex things in simple language sometimes needs a lot of words). Can it go long? Or is that a fairly strict limit?
Thanks. And once again, sorry for misunderstanding.
brynn
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On 18 May 2015 at 11:02, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ah-ha! I never have even read this thread, because I don't know what the title even means.
Some questions: -- Where will the article be seen or published? On the website? -- If not the website, what's the targeted audience?
On the website.
Non technical users.
The more detailed and technical summary can follow, or we can add it to our wiki, launchpad updates or just mailing list. But the core and start or the news article should be user centric. And that's where a user comes in, because they're most likely to know what questions to ask and what to edit out as being too technical.
Martin,
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In Martin's first msg, he said, "Jabier has provided someinformation, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea." Where is that info? Do you mean it's to be included? Or the main idea is
I send it in a private mesage from Toronto. Put publicy down:
Extrapolated Arcs: Thinking about a posible improve. We need to code and show to SVG Working Group
Extensions system: We discuss about new extensions system in a way more usable and transparent to the user. * Centraliced place to extensions/live_effects and maybe filters. * Allow internal LPE handle multiples styles for each pathvector. Good idea but need full redone of LPE roots maybe is not a good thing. * Use images/text as LPE input. Maybe less dificult than previous. * Improve the way to access to filter/LPE/extensions. Seach, tags, categories, descriptions, icons...
Marketing: How to get more founds?, speak about colaboration with http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/program/##hong-phuc-dang-towards-open-t... Open discussion.
Accesibility: We meet with Amelia http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/program/#amelia-bellamy-royds-accessibl... about it. She give the main input to the one place filter. Also we speak about switches and languages. We need to coordinate to become inkscape a multilenguage editor, allowig one file for all languages in a webrowser. I propose a solution about this. Use a global document lang switch in editor mode. This means a inkscaper can switch/add/remove... the lang to the document. also is necesary the option to copy contents from other langs or the main one. Because you only see one lang at the same time. Could we use clones? The switch code is done we only need to implement it. Amelia want put his work about how to switch between languages without JavaScript. We also need could define the title and description in a multilingual way.
Font list refresh on the fly. Raphael Roch from insaner.com put our eyes about this. The way to decide is large but is an automatic way, no button to fire it.
Thanks Jabier. That will be very helpful!
Maybe I will contact you first, and that might help me find the places to focus on, when I interview others.
Really, I should be able to have this ready within a week to 10 days, barring any unexpected distractions.
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz" <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Inkscape User Community" inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net; "MartinOwens" <doctormo@...400...>; "inkscape-devel" <inkscape-devel@...6...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] RFC: Switch to GoogleTestframework
Perfect.
El dom, 24-05-2015 a las 10:49 -0600, Brynn escribió:
Thanks Jabier. That will be very helpful!
Maybe I will contact you first, and that might help me find the places to focus on, when I interview others.
Really, I should be able to have this ready within a week to 10 days, barring any unexpected distractions.
All best, brynn
From: "Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz" <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Inkscape User Community" inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net; "MartinOwens" <doctormo@...400...>; "inkscape-devel" <inkscape-devel@...6...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] RFC: Switch to GoogleTestframework
I should say - "any unexpected distractions" or difficulty contacting hackers :-)
brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz" <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Inkscape User Community" inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net; "MartinOwens" <doctormo@...400...>; "inkscape-devel" <inkscape-devel@...6...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] RFC: Switch to GoogleTestframework
Hi Brynn,
and I'll get to work right away, if you want me to.
- Great :)
If you want me to, is this the correct list of attendees?
Bryce Tav Josh Jabier Krzysztof Alex Amelia insaner/Raphael
- Yep, those seem to be the right people to ask. Mail addresses should be those from the mailing list, or if you can't find them, just ask.
I guess there will be no problems contacting them through their list address? Was the agenda outlined here: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015_Topics, fairly well adhered to? Or did things end up going out to other topics as well. I'm thinking of using that as a starting place to compose what questions I want to ask. Although I will also ask each attendee what their unique focus or contribution was, and ask a question or 2 on that. On that wiki page, it looks like some info has been updated since the hackfest, although I have not learned how to read the wiki history (in a really meaningful way) yet. But are some results of the hackfest already mentioned there? In Martin's first msg, he said, "Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea." Where is that info? Do you mean it's to be included? Or the main idea is just 'write a review/article'? When looking at that 2015 Topics wiki page, it's hard to image writing such a short article as 200 to 400 words (because explaining complex things in simple language sometimes needs a lot of words). Can it go long? Or is that a fairly strict limit?
- It doesn't need to be long, and no, it's not a strict limit. It will be on the website sooner when it is shorter ;).
The technical details will be mentioned in Tav's report in-depth, and there will also be that interview with Mairin Duffy / Bryce. This article is for the 'normal', non-technical user to see where their generous donations went to be used. It should also talk a bit about the social aspects, and about exciting new things/improvements that were 'triggered' by the event (accessibility, extensions, roadmap, community development, fixing bugs, and under the hood: switch of test framework, switch of build environment,...), and about the boost it seems to have given to the dev community. (you could ask them what it was like to meet for the first time, for example. Jabier has a good story for this, I think) A photo would be cool, too...
Regards, Maren
Ok, thanks Maren.
and under the hood: switch of test framework,
switch of build environment,...),
"Test framework" and "build environment" will be 2 things that I will need to explain to other users, because I will need someone to explain to me. I have a general idea about them, but many will have questions, if I just leave it as those words.
and about the boost it seems to have
given to the dev community.
I wasn't aware of this, and I guess most users are also not aware. I guess the evidence must be on the IRC channel? For the dev channel, I don't even have a nickname and pw. (I don't usually use that kind of format, because I can't type fast enough -- by the time I write a reply, the subject has been changed 2 or 3 times.) I guess I could get an account, just to watch the activity and read it....but that's another story, and atm, the bottom of to-do list.
Where did you learn about all that? That's what I need to read. Was on the IRC? I suppose there's no archive of IRC discussions. I did see a lot of discussion on the mailing list, but mostly on things I don't understand. So I didn't read closely. But I can look at those messages more closely, and ask questions about those topics.
I didn't realize this was the first hackfest. When I first read about it on the website, it sounded like an annual event, that had been going for some years.
Shall I thank the sponsors in this article/review? In a general way, or specifically name them? Or is this not the best place to do that?
Thanks for your guidance :-)
brynn
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Hi Brynn,
and I'll get to work right away, if you want me to.
- Great :)
If you want me to, is this the correct list of attendees?
Bryce Tav Josh Jabier Krzysztof Alex Amelia insaner/Raphael
- Yep, those seem to be the right people to ask. Mail addresses should
be those from the mailing list, or if you can't find them, just ask.
I guess there will be no problems contacting them through their list address? Was the agenda outlined here: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015_Topics, fairly well adhered to? Or did things end up going out to other topics as well. I'm thinking of using that as a starting place to compose what questions I want to ask. Although I will also ask each attendee what their unique focus or contribution was, and ask a question or 2 on that. On that wiki page, it looks like some info has been updated since the hackfest, although I have not learned how to read the wiki history (in a really meaningful way) yet. But are some results of the hackfest already mentioned there? In Martin's first msg, he said, "Jabier has provided some information, but no one's stepped forward to help author/edit the idea." Where is that info? Do you mean it's to be included? Or the main idea is just 'write a review/article'? When looking at that 2015 Topics wiki page, it's hard to image writing such a short article as 200 to 400 words (because explaining complex things in simple language sometimes needs a lot of words). Can it go long? Or is that a fairly strict limit?
- It doesn't need to be long, and no, it's not a strict limit. It will
be on the website sooner when it is shorter ;).
The technical details will be mentioned in Tav's report in-depth, and there will also be that interview with Mairin Duffy / Bryce. This article is for the 'normal', non-technical user to see where their generous donations went to be used. It should also talk a bit about the social aspects, and about exciting new things/improvements that were 'triggered' by the event (accessibility, extensions, roadmap, community development, fixing bugs, and under the hood: switch of test framework, switch of build environment,...), and about the boost it seems to have given to the dev community. (you could ask them what it was like to meet for the first time, for example. Jabier has a good story for this, I think) A photo would be cool, too...
Regards, Maren
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Hi Brynn,
"Test framework" and "build environment" will be 2 things that I will need to explain to other users, because I will need someone to explain to me. I have a general idea about them, but many will have questions, if I just leave it as those words.
- It might be enough to say that the test framework helps with testing the functions of Inkscape, to see if they do what they should. It helps detect regressions (a kind of bug: things that once worked don't anymore).
A build environment is a tool which helps developers turn their program files (in human-readable format) into binary files (computer-readable) and takes care of finding and using all libraries, modules, files,... which are needed for the process. It's an essential development tool. It is needed to make the files you install on your computer. (sorry devs, I know this is simplified, but I hope it's still accurate enough for the purpose...)
Where did you learn about all that?
- Dev mailing list / wiki. There was a lot more traffic here, and a lot of it was about fundamental decisions on development tools. Ask the devs which areas they have become more busy in during/after the hackfest ;)
That's what I need to read. Was on the IRC? I suppose there's no archive of IRC discussions. I did see a lot of discussion on the mailing list, but mostly on things I don't understand. So I didn't read closely. But I can look at those messages more closely, and ask questions about those topics.
- Just ask them what interests *you* ;) If you notice that a topic is not so interesting/understandable to you, then allow it to stay shallow in your article. It's likely that other users will want to know similar things as you do. If we needed a technical article (which we do, but not here), we'd only put Tav's summary on the website, and have a few confused users who won't be any the wiser after reading it ;) (this is not to say that Tav writes things that are not understandable, the opposite is true. But the topics, emphasis and intended audience are different.)
Shall I thank the sponsors in this article/review? In a general way, or specifically name them? Or is this not the best place to do that?
- Depends on the other contents. If you can make it fit: yes, of course :) Naming is difficult (I don't think you want to access and read the Paypal account listing... And we don't have a way to know if they would want to be named or stay anonymous).
Regards, Maren
On Sat, May 2, 2015, at 06:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
It's been a week and I've only heard expressions of support for the switch, so let's go ahead and make the decision official. We'll switch from cxxtest to google test as our unit testing framework.
Anyone wishing to work on adding google test, please proceed.
In contrast to our ambitions of factoring *out* dependencies, with the test harness we will want to copy the gtest framework *in* tree.
Do not delete the existing cxxtest harness until all tests are converted over, and we've done one release with gtest.
I've cleaned up my Google Test work and it is now in trunk as of revision 14100. I did not yet add the Google source itself yet, but if you do have it in place the CMake build should now pick it up.
Create a folder named 'gtest' at the top level next to 'src' Download Google Mock 1.7 and extract it in gtest Configure cmake. If you use ccmake you should see an item for the location of google mock and a boolean toggle to configure with it. Run 'make check' (adding the appropriate -j flag to utilize multiple cores)
To re-run by itself (such as to get the detailed test output) use ./bin/unittest
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