That would be awesome, indeed. It would pry the door open for casual testers.

Maren

Am 23.11.18 um 16:29 schrieb Jabier Arraiza:

This therad open me to try ask for:

Create a separate program like "Inkscape-devel" so users can use easy at the same sistem without neerd intall/reinstall.

I hope this happends!

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] As easy way to use development (or 1.0 preview) in Ubuntu 18.10 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 13:32:16 +0100

Hi Anatoly,

I suspect you must have gotten to the page you mention via https://inkscape.org/release/master/ ?

The text on that page there mentions 1.0.

Clicking on the 'snap' option after clicking on the 'Gnu/Linux' option gives me a text that explains how to install the latest master with snap.

I agree that the version number that is chosen for the current master branch is not intuitive. I think it just has this number because it has always been like that - release new version, append 'devel' to the version number. I'd probably choose to 'release new version - increase number - append 'devel''.

You can find the option for the ppa on the 'Gnu/Linux' overview page mentioned above, or you can compile Inkscape yourself, for example following these instructions, if you want to keep your 'normal' Inkscape and also have a menu icon for the other version: https://gitlab.com/Moini/make_ink.

Maren

Am 23.11.18 um 12:24 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

...

Hi again.

https://inkscape.org/release/master/platforms/ doesn't mention upcoming 1.0 at all, and I don't see there an easy way to use development builds in Ubuntu 18.10. Like PPA or better snap.

✗ sudo snap info inkscape ... snap-id: tIrcA87dMWthuDORCCRU0VpidK5SBVOc channels: stable: 0.92.3 (4274) 177MB - candidate: 0.92.3 (4349) 180MB - beta: ↑ edge: 0.92+devel (4265) 192MB -

For this snap I'd expect the serial number for edge to be higher than stable, and that means the snap is not updated. So is there any other recommended (which means user friendly in this context) to check latest development versions of Inkscape to give a quick feedback?

---

Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

---

Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

Anatoly, thanks for reporting this.

I'm not sure if our snap maintainer, Ted Gould, will find it here - we have reports for snap issues scattered all over the place, recently, people use the extensions repository tracker for it, then there's the official Inkscape bug tracker, etc.

I would like to ask you to:

- submit issues to the bug tracker - ping Ted in the chat (when asked, he told me to contact him directly when something about snap issues comes up) and link to the issue from https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/general.

That way, info won't be lost - mailing list threads easily get buried, and it's easier and more useful if there's no intermediary to carry info back and forth.

Maren

Am 25.11.18 um 10:03 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

snaps are great for that.

$ sudo snap install inkscape --edge inkscape (edge) 0.92+devel from Inkscape Project (inkscape✓) installed $ which inkscape /usr/bin/inkscape $ /snap/bin/inkscape inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-3.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

but it needs to be fixed to include missing dependency.

BTW, Inkscape snap got finally updated since I started the last post. Good job. =) But the error with libgtkmm is still there.

$ sudo snap info inkscape --verbose ... channels: stable: 0.92.3 (4274) 177MB - candidate: 0.92.3 (4349) 180MB - beta: ↑ edge: 0.92+devel (4357) 157MB -

https://snapcraft.io/inkscape On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 6:31 PM Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

...

This therad open me to try ask for:

Create a separate program like "Inkscape-devel" so users can use easy at the same sistem without neerd intall/reinstall.

I hope this happends!

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] As easy way to use development (or 1.0 preview) in Ubuntu 18.10 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 13:32:16 +0100

Hi Anatoly,

I suspect you must have gotten to the page you mention via https://inkscape.org/release/master/ ?

The text on that page there mentions 1.0.

Clicking on the 'snap' option after clicking on the 'Gnu/Linux' option gives me a text that explains how to install the latest master with snap.

I agree that the version number that is chosen for the current master branch is not intuitive. I think it just has this number because it has always been like that - release new version, append 'devel' to the version number. I'd probably choose to 'release new version - increase number - append 'devel''.

You can find the option for the ppa on the 'Gnu/Linux' overview page mentioned above, or you can compile Inkscape yourself, for example following these instructions, if you want to keep your 'normal' Inkscape and also have a menu icon for the other version: https://gitlab.com/Moini/make_ink.

Maren

Am 23.11.18 um 12:24 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

...

Hi again.

https://inkscape.org/release/master/platforms/ doesn't mention upcoming 1.0 at all, and I don't see there an easy way to use development builds in Ubuntu 18.10. Like PPA or better snap.

✗ sudo snap info inkscape ... snap-id: tIrcA87dMWthuDORCCRU0VpidK5SBVOc channels: stable: 0.92.3 (4274) 177MB - candidate: 0.92.3 (4349) 180MB - beta: ↑ edge: 0.92+devel (4265) 192MB -

For this snap I'd expect the serial number for edge to be higher than stable, and that means the snap is not updated. So is there any other recommended (which means user friendly in this context) to check latest development versions of Inkscape to give a quick feedback?

---

Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

Use https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape, please. It's also linked from within Inkscape, under Help > Report Bugs.

Maren

Am 26.11.18 um 09:35 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

So, which tracker should I use for reporting problems with the snap?

Also creating an official thread at snapcraft forum helps people to share feedback and get answers.

https://forum.snapcraft.io/search?q=inkscape

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:02 AM Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote:

...

Anatoly, thanks for reporting this.

I'm not sure if our snap maintainer, Ted Gould, will find it here - we have reports for snap issues scattered all over the place, recently, people use the extensions repository tracker for it, then there's the official Inkscape bug tracker, etc.

I would like to ask you to:

• submit issues to the bug tracker
• ping Ted in the chat (when asked, he told me to contact him directly

when something about snap issues comes up) and link to the issue from https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/general.

That way, info won't be lost - mailing list threads easily get buried, and it's easier and more useful if there's no intermediary to carry info back and forth.

Maren

Am 25.11.18 um 10:03 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

...

snaps are great for that.

$ sudo snap install inkscape --edge inkscape (edge) 0.92+devel from Inkscape Project (inkscape✓) installed $ which inkscape /usr/bin/inkscape $ /snap/bin/inkscape inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-3.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

but it needs to be fixed to include missing dependency.

BTW, Inkscape snap got finally updated since I started the last post. Good job. =) But the error with libgtkmm is still there.

$ sudo snap info inkscape --verbose ... channels: stable: 0.92.3 (4274) 177MB - candidate: 0.92.3 (4349) 180MB - beta: ↑ edge: 0.92+devel (4357) 157MB -

https://snapcraft.io/inkscape On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 6:31 PM Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

...

This therad open me to try ask for:

Create a separate program like "Inkscape-devel" so users can use easy at the same sistem without neerd intall/reinstall.

I hope this happends!

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] As easy way to use development (or 1.0 preview) in Ubuntu 18.10 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 13:32:16 +0100

Hi Anatoly,

I suspect you must have gotten to the page you mention via https://inkscape.org/release/master/ ?

The text on that page there mentions 1.0.

Clicking on the 'snap' option after clicking on the 'Gnu/Linux' option gives me a text that explains how to install the latest master with snap.

I agree that the version number that is chosen for the current master branch is not intuitive. I think it just has this number because it has always been like that - release new version, append 'devel' to the version number. I'd probably choose to 'release new version - increase number - append 'devel''.

You can find the option for the ppa on the 'Gnu/Linux' overview page mentioned above, or you can compile Inkscape yourself, for example following these instructions, if you want to keep your 'normal' Inkscape and also have a menu icon for the other version: https://gitlab.com/Moini/make_ink.

Maren

Am 23.11.18 um 12:24 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

...

Hi again.

https://inkscape.org/release/master/platforms/ doesn't mention upcoming 1.0 at all, and I don't see there an easy way to use development builds in Ubuntu 18.10. Like PPA or better snap.

✗ sudo snap info inkscape ... snap-id: tIrcA87dMWthuDORCCRU0VpidK5SBVOc channels: stable: 0.92.3 (4274) 177MB - candidate: 0.92.3 (4349) 180MB - beta: ↑ edge: 0.92+devel (4265) 192MB -

For this snap I'd expect the serial number for edge to be higher than stable, and that means the snap is not updated. So is there any other recommended (which means user friendly in this context) to check latest development versions of Inkscape to give a quick feedback?

---

Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:18 PM Ted Gould <ted@...11...> wrote:

On Nov 25 2018, at 3:03 am, anatoly techtonik <techtonik@...400...> wrote:

inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-3.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

This is fixed now.

Also, the snap is using 18.04 depends and should have better versions of GTK/etc. that we use now.

The snap is built using Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ted/+snap/inkscape-master https://link.getmailspring.com/link/1543245358.local-b03cc2d6-e393-v1.5.2-31660462@...3687.../0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2F~ted%2F%2Bsnap%2Finkscape-master&recipient=dGVjaHRvbmlrQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D Ted [image: Open Tracking]

Awesome. =) Install instructions need to be updated. Right now they are hard to discover, and I'd be interested to know how many Linux users who came to download page are actually follow the `snap` link and end up downloading snaps instead of something else.

`snap` had already updated automatically, and I could fill the first PR after inspecting Inkscape version. The PR failed because of code formatting and I don't know how to resolve this: https://gitlab.com/techtonik/inkscape/-/jobs/125913035

There is no `inkview` packed in snap. Its binary is called "inkscape.viewer". Is it intentional? There is also this WARNING on Ubuntu 18.10. Is it fixable?

$ /snap/bin/inkscape.viewer -V

** (inkview:17192): WARNING **: 09:58:48.578: Fonts dir '/home/techtonik/snap/inkscape/4375/fonts' does not exist and will be ignored. Inkscape 0.92+devel (aa638710e3, 2018-11-27) $ /snap/bin/inkscape.viewer -h

** (inkview:17277): WARNING **: 09:58:54.838: Fonts dir '/home/techtonik/snap/inkscape/4375/fonts' does not exist and will be ignored. Usage: inkview [OPTION…]

Help Options: -h, --help Show help options --help-all Show all help options --help-gapplication Show GApplication options --help-gtk Show GTK+ Options

Application Options: -V, --version Print: Inkview version. -f, --fullscreen Launch in fullscreen mode -r, --recursive Search folders recursively -t, --timer=NUMBER Change image every NUMBER seconds -s, --scale=NUMBER Scale image by factor NUMBER -p, --preload Preload files --display=DISPLAY X display to use

Actually I missed 1.0 info, because banner says 0.92 + devel, so I thought that master is on 0.92 and 1.0 must be in some other branch. I also missed those huge black buttons - really didn't expect Linux to be a navigational menu, so I clicked "All platforms" gray button, which gives this page:

https://inkscape.org/release/master/platforms/

Gnu/Linux March 14, 2018, 10 p.m. Gnu/Linux : Snap Feb. 21, 2018, 10:41 p.m. Source : Archive Feb. 3, 2016, 2:45 p.m. HowTo Gnu/Linux : Ubuntu : ppa Feb. 3, 2016, 1:07 a.m. Source : Version control : GitLab Repository Feb. 3, 2016, 1:07 a.m. Windows : 32-bit : binary (7z) Feb. 3, 2016, 1:07 a.m. Download Windows : 64-bit : binary (7z) Feb. 21, 2018, 10:13 p.m.

As you see, the versions listed here are badly outdated for master, and there is no info at the page footer about how and when this page was generated.

I don't see any code that pushes --edge snap on each build in https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml

I will probably go with PPA version, but it would be nice to know how these two issues can be fixed: 1. outdated website info with no link back to the sources and build log 2. missing snap versions

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 3:34 PM Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote:

Hi Anatoly,

I suspect you must have gotten to the page you mention via https://inkscape.org/release/master/ ?

The text on that page there mentions 1.0.

Clicking on the 'snap' option after clicking on the 'Gnu/Linux' option gives me a text that explains how to install the latest master with snap.

I agree that the version number that is chosen for the current master branch is not intuitive. I think it just has this number because it has always been like that - release new version, append 'devel' to the version number. I'd probably choose to 'release new version - increase number - append 'devel''.

You can find the option for the ppa on the 'Gnu/Linux' overview page mentioned above, or you can compile Inkscape yourself, for example following these instructions, if you want to keep your 'normal' Inkscape and also have a menu icon for the other version: https://gitlab.com/Moini/make_ink.

Maren

Am 23.11.18 um 12:24 schrieb anatoly techtonik:

...

Hi again.

https://inkscape.org/release/master/platforms/ doesn't mention upcoming 1.0 at all, and I don't see there an easy way to use development builds in Ubuntu 18.10. Like PPA or better snap.

✗ sudo snap info inkscape ... snap-id: tIrcA87dMWthuDORCCRU0VpidK5SBVOc channels: stable: 0.92.3 (4274) 177MB - candidate: 0.92.3 (4349) 180MB - beta: ↑ edge: 0.92+devel (4265) 192MB -

For this snap I'd expect the serial number for edge to be higher than stable, and that means the snap is not updated. So is there any other recommended (which means user friendly in this context) to check latest development versions of Inkscape to give a quick feedback?

---

Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:17 AM Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote:

Hi Anatoly,

can you sum up the changes you would like to suggest for the releases entries on the Inkscape website in a bug report at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/issues , please?

Then we can sort through them, and check which ones need a code change, and which ones are content suggestions, and try to figure out how we can make things more obvious on the website, by adjusting design.

You aren't, by chance, a web designer or UX/Usability engineer?

Took time. I reported my experience with the page at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/issues/275 which should give a good ground for a refresher.

We all are UX engineers to some extent. Just some of us more mindful about why it is hard for them to do things they want to do, notice things that change their experience (like GMail) and have time to read articles about how it was done. I know about CJM (customer journey maps), user stories, and how to draw conclusions from data. But collecting the data and creating UX reports is not something I do in daily life.

Maybe the date should be left out on that page, though, if it causes confusion - or maybe it should only be added for those items that have a downloadable file that is hosted at inkscape.org.

If it doesn't provide any action for me, it is useless. Date is useful in a format "3 months ago" and a link to release notes, because the insight for me is "is there a newer version released on last x months, and if should update or read of new features".