On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Mihaela <myhaella5@...529...> wrote:
Reading the comments from bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/379641 it seems that some people might feel the Tango icons are forced upon them. Maybe more time should pass and more comments gathered but it seems that a public poll about the default iconset on platforms might be the way to go. What do you think?
There was a long discussion of this, and it was clear that there was no consensus for tango icons. Why is this sneaked upon us now?
Krzysztof: could you please switch icons back to our old set? Please do it now, and I think it would be a good idea for you to let this area rest until the end of summer - we have a lot of GSoC coding to do, so let's not waste any more time on this.
On 05/25/2009 07:39 PM, bulia byak wrote:
There was a long discussion of this, and it was clear that there was no consensus for tango icons. Why is this sneaked upon us now?
For the record: this was not sneaked upon us, it was intended to get feedback on the weak/strong points of the Tango iconset, see Krzysztof's mail of May 11th.
Which set we're going to use to the new release is still open for discussion obviously :-)
Diederik
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Diederik van Lierop <mail@...1689...> wrote:
On 05/25/2009 07:39 PM, bulia byak wrote:
There was a long discussion of this, and it was clear that there was no consensus for tango icons. Why is this sneaked upon us now?
For the record: this was not sneaked upon us, it was intended to get feedback on the weak/strong points of the Tango iconset, see Krzysztof's mail of May 11th.
OK, so let's use this thread to provide all the feedback we can, as Thomas just did, and then get the old icons back :)
On 05/25/2009 11:16 AM, bulia byak wrote:
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Diederik van Lierop<mail@...1689...> wrote:
On 05/25/2009 07:39 PM, bulia byak wrote:
There was a long discussion of this, and it was clear that there was no consensus for tango icons. Why is this sneaked upon us now?
For the record: this was not sneaked upon us, it was intended to get feedback on the weak/strong points of the Tango iconset, see Krzysztof's mail of May 11th.
OK, so let's use this thread to provide all the feedback we can, as Thomas just did, and then get the old icons back :)
No... we're not changing the icons for 0.47. Period. There... decision made. Inbox happy. Josh not losing mind anymore. I am following this up with a rather unhappy icons related message.
Cheers, Josh
On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:30:53 +0100, Mihaela <myhaella5@...529...> wrote:
Reading the comments from bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/379641 it seems that some people might feel the Tango icons are forced upon them. Maybe more time should pass and more comments gathered but it seems that a public poll about the default iconset on platforms might be the way to go. What do you think?
Assume that all of this has a big fat "IMO" attached to it.
The Tango icons are generally okay - they're too colourful in most cases but by and large the main tool box icons (pen, brush, 3d boxes etc) are clear enough.
The icons for "when scaling" are very poor. In particular, "scale stroke" and "scale radii" are almost identical to my eyes on a 1440x900 LCD monitor.
The "snap from and to centres of objects" and "snap from and to an object's centre of rotation" icons may as well be abstract designs for all they convey about their functions.
The "Edit global Inkscape preferences" and "Edit properties of this document" have not changed and remain the two icons I most often click incorrectly. I think removing the spanner from one of them is something that would help.
The "Tweak" icon is just bizarre: far too fully rendered for an icon (it's a bit creepy, actually) and not apparently connected to the idea of tweaking. Poking, perhaps, but not tweaking.
"Edit objects' colours, gradients, stroke width etc." icon seems substantially less clear than the old one.
The Zoom icons - page, drawing, selection - seem slightly less clear than the old ones.
Either the numbers or the arrow on the "Reverse path" menu item are superfluous - both is too much.
"Rename layer" simply doesn't need an icon in the first place. If there has to be one then it should be less cluttered.
There's far too much use of that ghastly orange colour in the alignment dialogue icons - I don't know anyone who likes orange THAT much! - although it is clear enough what is going on.
Overall the Tango icons work much much better than I thought they would. As a user I would say that they don't actually do anything *better* than the old icon set, although there are places where they are definitely worse. As a programmer, I would say that they show a lack of understanding about what an icon is for (it's not meant to be a work of art for a start) leading to an overuse of realistic shading where stylisation would perhaps be clearer.
TWW
On May 25, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Thomas Worthington wrote:
The "Edit global Inkscape preferences" and "Edit properties of this document" have not changed and remain the two icons I most often click incorrectly. I think removing the spanner from one of them is something that would help.
Just to let you know... don't blame Inkscape for that one; blame your distro. :-)
Seriously, those are taken from your current GTK+ theme which is either a custom one you explicitly set things to, or is the default that your distro has set up.
my two cents is that i love the icons. (i may be biased because i wrote a huge tutorial for 0.47 with the new icons in my screenshots, and will now have to change all my screenshots :( )
cheers, ryanlerch
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
On May 25, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Thomas Worthington wrote:
The "Edit global Inkscape preferences" and "Edit properties of this
document" have not changed and remain the two icons I most often click
incorrectly. I think removing the spanner from one of them is something
that would help.
Just to let you know... don't blame Inkscape for that one; blame your distro. :-) Seriously, those are taken from your current GTK+ theme which is either a custom one you explicitly set things to, or is the default that your distro has set up.
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We can always make gradual improvemets Release early, release often !
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On 26/05/2009, at 5:36 AM, ryan lerch <ryanlerch@...400...> wrote:
my two cents is that i love the icons. (i may be biased because i wrote a huge tutorial for 0.47 with the new icons in my screenshots, and will now have to change all my screenshots :( )
cheers, ryanlerch
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
On May 25, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Thomas Worthington wrote:
The "Edit global Inkscape preferences" and "Edit properties of this
document" have not changed and remain the two icons I most often click
incorrectly. I think removing the spanner from one of them is something
that would help.
Just to let you know... don't blame Inkscape for that one; blame your distro. :-) Seriously, those are taken from your current GTK+ theme which is either a custom one you explicitly set things to, or is the default that your distro has set up.
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Happy to modify the tango set to meet the issues raised by Thomas.
He's right, many of the visual metaphors don quite match the functionality.
Will post updates to this list.
On 26/05/2009, at 1:23 PM, Andy Fitzsimon <andyfitz@...400...> wrote:
Tango tango tango tango. Let's go with tango
We can always make gradual improvemets Release early, release often !
My two yuan
On 26/05/2009, at 5:36 AM, ryan lerch <ryanlerch@...400...> wrote:
my two cents is that i love the icons. (i may be biased because i wrote a huge tutorial for 0.47 with the new icons in my screenshots, and will now have to change all my screenshots :( )
cheers, ryanlerch
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
On May 25, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Thomas Worthington wrote:
The "Edit global Inkscape preferences" and "Edit properties of this
document" have not changed and remain the two icons I most often click
incorrectly. I think removing the spanner from one of them is something
that would help.
Just to let you know... don't blame Inkscape for that one; blame your distro. :-) Seriously, those are taken from your current GTK+ theme which is either a custom one you explicitly set things to, or is the default that your distro has set up.
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 20:57:35 +0100, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
On May 25, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Thomas Worthington wrote:
The "Edit global Inkscape preferences" and "Edit properties of this document" have not changed and remain the two icons I most often click incorrectly. I think removing the spanner from one of them is something that would help.
Just to let you know... don't blame Inkscape for that one; blame your distro. :-)
Seriously, those are taken from your current GTK+ theme which is either a custom one you explicitly set things to, or is the default that your distro has set up.
Ah, well this is a minor issue for people like me who do not (knowingly) *have* a system-wide GTK+ theme nor any obvious way to set it - likewise I had to go hunting for the new location of the preference file which apparently has now changed to "your system default location" instead of .inkscape as it used to be. I'm sure I added a note to the wiki about this last point but it seems to have gone. It tripped me up because my Alt key suddenly stopped working again despite the mapalt setting being correct in what I thought was still the preference file.
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