on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Excellent. Sounds like one of them is still wedded to Illustrator. ;-)
Thanks for the link; I've added a news item on it to the Inkscape homepage.
I'm a bit confused at Jimmac's comment, that, "I'm hoping to write a simple functional spec for path editing, since at least Inkscape developers seem to be interested in making their app be a graphic tool, not an SVG editor aiming to implement all of the standard."
It's great that Inkscape is considered a graphic tool, but we definitely do have an interest in making it implement items in the SVG spec. Perhaps I'm misreading it?
Bryce
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
On Friday 21 May 2004 01:41 am, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Perhaps I'm misreading it?
No, that's what he said. I was a bit thrown by that since it's the EXACT opposite of the situation. Sodipodi, iirc from talking with Lauris, is really a general purpose drawing tool with an SVG base in mind. Inkscape seems to be one of the few tools trying to implement the SVG spec as an editor.
Dan
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 18:16, Dan Ostrowski wrote:
On Friday 21 May 2004 01:41 am, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Perhaps I'm misreading it?
No, that's what he said. I was a bit thrown by that since it's the EXACT opposite of the situation. Sodipodi, iirc from talking with Lauris, is really a general purpose drawing tool with an SVG base in mind. Inkscape seems to be one of the few tools trying to implement the SVG spec as an editor.
Well, admittedly regardless of our stated goals most of our work is on general-purpose drawing features, not SVG/XML features. Actions speak louder than words.
But that's okay. They need not be mutually exclusive.
There are a few very important but neglected SVG things I'd like to nail down in the next couple releases, though. One of them is a proper UI for using viewBox. The coordinate system also really, really needs to be fixed.
There should already be bugs/RFEs for both. The coordinate system fix is probably major enough that we need to find space on the roadmap for it.
-mental
On Sat, 22 May 2004, MenTaLguY wrote:
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 18:16, Dan Ostrowski wrote:
On Friday 21 May 2004 01:41 am, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Perhaps I'm misreading it?
No, that's what he said. I was a bit thrown by that since it's the EXACT opposite of the situation. Sodipodi, iirc from talking with Lauris, is really a general purpose drawing tool with an SVG base in mind. Inkscape seems to be one of the few tools trying to implement the SVG spec as an editor.
Well, admittedly regardless of our stated goals most of our work is on general-purpose drawing features, not SVG/XML features. Actions speak louder than words.
But that's okay. They need not be mutually exclusive.
Agreed. Looking back on our development since the project inception, it's apparent we've been maintaining a balance between general purpose drawing features (booleans, usability, etc.), and ones that implement specific SVG features (ala 'use', 'markers', etc.) I've noticed that the developers of these features have taken pains to ensure that the implementations both serve the needs of being SVG-compliant and actually being useful drawing features.
There should already be bugs/RFEs for both. The coordinate system fix is probably major enough that we need to find space on the roadmap for it.
If you can send me a list of SVG-compliance items like this that need to be planned into the roadmap, I'll take care of fitting everything in.
Bryce
On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 00:35, Bryce Harrington wrote:
There should already be bugs/RFEs for both. The coordinate system fix is probably major enough that we need to find space on the roadmap for it.
If you can send me a list of SVG-compliance items like this that need to be planned into the roadmap, I'll take care of fitting everything in.
In order of decreasing nastiness (I think):
* [SVG] fix the coordinate system -- this will require modification of a lot of wide-ranging code which we still don't understand. The coordinate system cleanups performed by Peter et al will help a little, but I suspect it's still going to be rather brutal.
I think it's best we plan another straight bugfix release before the release which attacks this, so people will have a recent stable release to use while any lingering issues get shaken out.
* [SVG] Redo the viewBox UI, and change how the viewBox on the root <svg> node is displayed (for nested <svg> elements, the current behavior is correct and desirable) -- one of the SVG guys suggested we add an extra outlined box denoting the viewbox.
* [XML] Rework the Repr -> SPObject lookup to use something other than IDs. I think mapping by pointers should be good enough.
The problem is currently that we blindly mash an id= attribute on all elements -- while that is valid in the SVG, inkscape, and sodipodi namespaces, other namespaces and their associated schemas may have different IDREF attributes or none at all. Under some circumstances, that can be very destructive to e.g. embedded RDF fragments.
We'll still need ids for things like <use>, obviously, but we should generate such ids only as needed, and only in namespaces in which we know what the IDREF attributes are.
-mental
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
The artists dont have English as their first language, so I dont blame them at all (fair criticism though).
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
I'm amused at how difficult Jimmac finds it to use anything but Adobe Illustrator.
- Alan
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
We actually gave 'Inkspace' some consideration when we picked the name, but liked the imagery of 'Inkscape' better. I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
How widely read is OSNews? Would it be worth publishing my article there? (I've heard nothing from LWN as of yet.)
I'm amused at how difficult Jimmac finds it to use anything but Adobe Illustrator.
Well, guess it leaves an open niche for open source artists who can. ;-)
Bryce
osnews.com is widely read. I think your article would be great on there! Also, I just emailed their staff to fix the name and add a URL for our references.
Cool!
Jon
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 10:52, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
We actually gave 'Inkspace' some consideration when we picked the name, but liked the imagery of 'Inkscape' better. I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
How widely read is OSNews? Would it be worth publishing my article there? (I've heard nothing from LWN as of yet.)
I'm amused at how difficult Jimmac finds it to use anything but Adobe Illustrator.
Well, guess it leaves an open niche for open source artists who can. ;-)
Bryce
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On Friday 21 May 2004 20:52, Bryce Harrington wrote:
I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
This is exactly what happened to me at the start! LOL!!! And it keeps on happening though anyway... :-)
Artemio.
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...>, Inkscape Developer Mailing List inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
We actually gave 'Inkspace' some consideration when we picked the name, but liked the imagery of 'Inkscape' better. I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
How widely read is OSNews? Would it be worth publishing my article there? (I've heard nothing from LWN as of yet.)
I think it gets a fair bit of coverage, and occassionally a tonne of coverage if Slashdot is interested enough to like to a story. I was largely ambivalent to OSNews but this article was very poorly edited and now I am starting to dislike OSNews.
If you are going to mention your story to other outlets I'd suggest you suggest it to a few differnt sources. I expect GnomeDesktop.org would pick it up in a heartbeat but I dont think it has a wide audience but it would provide an interested enthusiastic audience.
I think it would be great if you contacted magazines like Linux Journal (and Linux Format, and Linux Magazine) and offered to do an interview about Inkscape.
- Alan
Yeah, I think you should go for online and print. Try to get it printed first however, because then they'll put it online...and then link it to osnews and whatnot. Keep notes on your procedure! I have like 10 articles in the can now with this damn book.
Jon
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 11:18, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...>, Inkscape Developer Mailing List inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
We actually gave 'Inkspace' some consideration when we picked the name, but liked the imagery of 'Inkscape' better. I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
How widely read is OSNews? Would it be worth publishing my article there? (I've heard nothing from LWN as of yet.)
I think it gets a fair bit of coverage, and occassionally a tonne of coverage if Slashdot is interested enough to like to a story. I was largely ambivalent to OSNews but this article was very poorly edited and now I am starting to dislike OSNews.
If you are going to mention your story to other outlets I'd suggest you suggest it to a few differnt sources. I expect GnomeDesktop.org would pick it up in a heartbeat but I dont think it has a wide audience but it would provide an interested enthusiastic audience.
I think it would be great if you contacted magazines like Linux Journal (and Linux Format, and Linux Magazine) and offered to do an interview about Inkscape.
- Alan
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I've just now submitted the final version of the article to OSNews.
Thank you to all who reviewed and contributed to the article, I think it really helped solidify it. I trimmed the final version down considerably for conciseness and to streamline the flow (i.e., more focus on booleans, less about how the project works). Plus I figure this leaves more topics for future Inkscape article writers. :-)
I considered submitting to Linux Journal but opted for OSNews instead, since they've just recently printed something about Inkscape, and since being online-only they'll hopefully get it out on the wire sooner than a print+online magazine would.
I've taken my own copy of the article offline, pending the publication, but if you're interested in seeing a preview, the latest is in CVS.
Bryce
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Jon Phillips wrote:
Yeah, I think you should go for online and print. Try to get it printed first however, because then they'll put it online...and then link it to osnews and whatnot. Keep notes on your procedure! I have like 10 articles in the can now with this damn book.
Jon
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 11:18, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...>, Inkscape Developer Mailing List inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
We actually gave 'Inkspace' some consideration when we picked the name, but liked the imagery of 'Inkscape' better. I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
How widely read is OSNews? Would it be worth publishing my article there? (I've heard nothing from LWN as of yet.)
I think it gets a fair bit of coverage, and occassionally a tonne of coverage if Slashdot is interested enough to like to a story. I was largely ambivalent to OSNews but this article was very poorly edited and now I am starting to dislike OSNews.
If you are going to mention your story to other outlets I'd suggest you suggest it to a few differnt sources. I expect GnomeDesktop.org would pick it up in a heartbeat but I dont think it has a wide audience but it would provide an interested enthusiastic audience.
I think it would be great if you contacted magazines like Linux Journal (and Linux Format, and Linux Magazine) and offered to do an interview about Inkscape.
- Alan
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Excellent BRYCE! You are cool. I'll keep you posted on development of the articlein CVSBOOK.
Jon
On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 15:00, Bryce Harrington wrote:
I've just now submitted the final version of the article to OSNews.
Thank you to all who reviewed and contributed to the article, I think it really helped solidify it. I trimmed the final version down considerably for conciseness and to streamline the flow (i.e., more focus on booleans, less about how the project works). Plus I figure this leaves more topics for future Inkscape article writers. :-)
I considered submitting to Linux Journal but opted for OSNews instead, since they've just recently printed something about Inkscape, and since being online-only they'll hopefully get it out on the wire sooner than a print+online magazine would.
I've taken my own copy of the article offline, pending the publication, but if you're interested in seeing a preview, the latest is in CVS.
Bryce
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Jon Phillips wrote:
Yeah, I think you should go for online and print. Try to get it printed first however, because then they'll put it online...and then link it to osnews and whatnot. Keep notes on your procedure! I have like 10 articles in the can now with this damn book.
Jon
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 11:18, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...>, Inkscape Developer Mailing List inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Kees Cook wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:07:20 -0700 From: Kees Cook <inkscape@...62...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :)
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102
One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace").
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
We actually gave 'Inkspace' some consideration when we picked the name, but liked the imagery of 'Inkscape' better. I remember when the project first started, many of us had some difficulty training our fingers to type the latter instead of the former, so I wouldn't fault new users from doing the same. :-)
It looks as if the editor made no effort to spell or grammar check the article in any way but I'm told that OSNews has always been like that.
How widely read is OSNews? Would it be worth publishing my article there? (I've heard nothing from LWN as of yet.)
I think it gets a fair bit of coverage, and occassionally a tonne of coverage if Slashdot is interested enough to like to a story. I was largely ambivalent to OSNews but this article was very poorly edited and now I am starting to dislike OSNews.
If you are going to mention your story to other outlets I'd suggest you suggest it to a few differnt sources. I expect GnomeDesktop.org would pick it up in a heartbeat but I dont think it has a wide audience but it would provide an interested enthusiastic audience.
I think it would be great if you contacted magazines like Linux Journal (and Linux Format, and Linux Magazine) and offered to do an interview about Inkscape.
- Alan
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On Friday 21 May 2004 20:27, Alan Horkan wrote:
I'm amused at how difficult Jimmac finds it to use anything but Adobe Illustrator.
This is what I didn't get too.
Some looooong time ago I tried Illustrator that and I found it terrible. The only tool I found nice for drawing vector graphics was Flash 5. But it had a very cluttered workspace - even in fullscreen mode, I couldn't work on it normally...
I was amazed how you guys layed out Inkscape... I don't even maximize the main window. Every tool is where you expect it to be. Brilliant!
I have never seen any app for vector drawing better than Inkscape.
Artemio.
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 13:27, Alan Horkan wrote:
Inkspace is a pretty cool name too!
Yeah, I still feel a bit torn now and then...
The artists dont have English as their first language, so I dont blame them at all (fair criticism though).
Native Anglophones tend to get confused, too, I think because:
* 'Inkscape' and 'Inkspace' are anagrams; I'd imagine it causes some pain for dyslexics
* the 'ksc' in 'Inkscape' is a long enough run of hard consonants to be mildly uncomfortable for English-speakers
* 'Inkscape' is similarly slightly more awkward to touch-type quickly (at least for me, on a QWERTY keyboard) -- RRRLLLRL versus RRRLRLLR.
Even now I confuse them occasionally -- and I'm the one that coined the name!
That said, I still prefer Inkscape because of the imagery; I think it works better with our branding efforts (and it spawned a kickass logo).
-mental
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