Re: [Inkscape-devel] Staging website - graphics sources
Jared,
The deed is done, if you check http://staging.inkscape.org/en/community/gallery/ you'll find my new brochure django-cms plugin being used. It pulls in an rss feed, allows you to control how indexed entries are enabled from different sources.
Sorry, but I don't see how showing arbitrary images on our website is going to benefit the project.
Alexandre
I'm new to this Inkscape dev community, but one thing I greatly appreciate about the project (besides it being inherently FLOSS) is that what flows from it being opensource is the user and dev community.
Therefore, I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated, as a natural outflowing of the philosophy and use of the project itself. I hope that makes sense, and it may not be where everyone else is at, but I think it's a natural bridge to connect the userbase artwork into how we want to represent the software.
By not filtering (or curating, or soliciting) the images we run the risk of hosting "arbitrary images," but so far I see it worthwhile, and at the same time strengthening our bond between devs and users.
If we had a simple way to showcase excellent artwork examples, and had those assets already available, I would be happy to consider another solution. But feeding the activity of an another active site into ours is the best I've currently seen to solve this. (If any artists are out there listening and want to submit artwork for the website, I would think now is the time and place to do so!)
Let me know any other ideas Alexandre!
--Jared
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal wrote:
I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated
It actually is curated. It's just not authored by us. Instead we look after which gallery streams to include and which artworks to enable/disable in our super-fantastic 'beat-that-tate-modern' online syndication page.
We /can/ pick and choose which items dis/enabled, we can choose to make new entrants disabled by default. The feed on staging /is/ curated by the person (whoever they are) that looks after the inkscape user on deviantArt.
I trust them. Not because I know them, but because they've made good calls in the past and their favorites gallery is filled with good decisions. If /they/ add some new works, our website will update with their decisions automatically enabled for our visitors to enjoy.
Other sources, like open-clipart /are/ more arbitrary since any artist can self-select to tag their works inkscape. But that's a source you would set to disable new entrants and you can then have a system of enabling them (which I haven't built, but wouldn't be too hard, a few template tags and a simple curator permission)
This is a distributed control with delegated trust. We can choose to trust certain sources if we want. While still giving us access to self-selected sources too.
Thus to conclude: These galleries are not arbitrary. ;-)
Martin Owens
Thanks for the background and clarification!
--Jared
________________________________________ From: Martin Owens [doctormo@...400...] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:02 AM To: Jared Meidal Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Staging website - graphics sources
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal wrote:
I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated
It actually is curated. It's just not authored by us. Instead we look after which gallery streams to include and which artworks to enable/disable in our super-fantastic 'beat-that-tate-modern' online syndication page.
We /can/ pick and choose which items dis/enabled, we can choose to make new entrants disabled by default. The feed on staging /is/ curated by the person (whoever they are) that looks after the inkscape user on deviantArt.
I trust them. Not because I know them, but because they've made good calls in the past and their favorites gallery is filled with good decisions. If /they/ add some new works, our website will update with their decisions automatically enabled for our visitors to enjoy.
Other sources, like open-clipart /are/ more arbitrary since any artist can self-select to tag their works inkscape. But that's a source you would set to disable new entrants and you can then have a system of enabling them (which I haven't built, but wouldn't be too hard, a few template tags and a simple curator permission)
This is a distributed control with delegated trust. We can choose to trust certain sources if we want. While still giving us access to self-selected sources too.
Thus to conclude: These galleries are not arbitrary. ;-)
Martin Owens
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Sep 2013, at 15:02, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal wrote:
I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated
It actually is curated. It's just not authored by us. Instead we look after which gallery streams to include and which artworks to enable/disable in our super-fantastic 'beat-that-tate-modern' online syndication page.
We /can/ pick and choose which items dis/enabled, we can choose to make new entrants disabled by default. The feed on staging /is/ curated by the person (whoever they are) that looks after the inkscape user on deviantArt.
I trust them. Not because I know them, but because they've made good calls in the past and their favorites gallery is filled with good decisions. If /they/ add some new works, our website will update with their decisions automatically enabled for our visitors to enjoy.
You actually do know them, administrating the Inkscape group on da is another one of the ways that Josh is awesome for our community. Cheers Josh!
Other sources, like open-clipart /are/ more arbitrary since any artist can self-select to tag their works inkscape. But that's a source you would set to disable new entrants and you can then have a system of enabling them (which I haven't built, but wouldn't be too hard, a few template tags and a simple curator permission)
This is a distributed control with delegated trust. We can choose to trust certain sources if we want. While still giving us access to self-selected sources too.
Thus to conclude: These galleries are not arbitrary. ;-)
Martin Owens
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I haven't updated it in a while, but will definitely be doing so in the near future. When I start the About Screen contest it will be the perfect time for me to get exposed to users galleries that I haven't seen before to keep adding quality work. :)
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:30 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Sep 2013, at 15:02, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal wrote:
I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated
It actually is curated. It's just not authored by us. Instead we look after which gallery streams to include and which artworks to enable/disable in our super-fantastic 'beat-that-tate-modern' online syndication page.
We /can/ pick and choose which items dis/enabled, we can choose to make new entrants disabled by default. The feed on staging /is/ curated by the person (whoever they are) that looks after the inkscape user on deviantArt.
I trust them. Not because I know them, but because they've made good calls in the past and their favorites gallery is filled with good decisions. If /they/ add some new works, our website will update with their decisions automatically enabled for our visitors to enjoy.
You actually do know them, administrating the Inkscape group on da is another one of the ways that Josh is awesome for our community. Cheers Josh!
Other sources, like open-clipart /are/ more arbitrary since any artist can self-select to tag their works inkscape. But that's a source you would set to disable new entrants and you can then have a system of enabling them (which I haven't built, but wouldn't be too hard, a few template tags and a simple curator permission)
This is a distributed control with delegated trust. We can choose to trust certain sources if we want. While still giving us access to self-selected sources too.
Thus to conclude: These galleries are not arbitrary. ;-)
Martin Owens
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On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:02:15AM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal wrote:
I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated
It actually is curated. It's just not authored by us. Instead we look after which gallery streams to include and which artworks to enable/disable in our super-fantastic 'beat-that-tate-modern' online syndication page.
We /can/ pick and choose which items dis/enabled, we can choose to make new entrants disabled by default. The feed on staging /is/ curated by the person (whoever they are) that looks after the inkscape user on deviantArt.
Perhaps it would make sense then to indicate the curator in some prominent place?
This is certainly a value they're providing, as it can be surprisingly time intensive to do (it was most of the time involved when I worked on the sodipodi site, and then the inkscape site). Besides selecting images, you also field many emails from artists, concerned parents, fans, and bikeshedders.
Including a way to contact the curator might help redirect some of that traffic.
OTOH, one of the things useful about including some user-created content is the testamonial from the artist, perhaps with a description of how they did the work. I see some artists include this on their deviantart page, but it isn't percolated up into our site. With this info, it'd be less a list of 'pretty pictures' and more clearly a showcase of awesome stuff that can be done with the program.
In the old site, we listed the art with the inkscape version used to create them, so you could kind of see the progression of functionality over the releases, which served sort of a similar purpose.
I trust them. Not because I know them, but because they've made good calls in the past and their favorites gallery is filled with good decisions. If /they/ add some new works, our website will update with their decisions automatically enabled for our visitors to enjoy.
Have you mentioned to them about linking to their work from the inkscape site? If not, might be respectful to present this to them before making it official, in case they have any concerns with it.
Other sources, like open-clipart /are/ more arbitrary since any artist can self-select to tag their works inkscape. But that's a source you would set to disable new entrants and you can then have a system of enabling them (which I haven't built, but wouldn't be too hard, a few template tags and a simple curator permission)
In the case of OCAL, maybe better to just link over to that site. That site has additional tools for searching, rendering pngs and creating remixes and stuff.
Bryce
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 09:44:38AM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:02:15AM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal wrote:
I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated
It actually is curated. It's just not authored by us. Instead we look after which gallery streams to include and which artworks to enable/disable in our super-fantastic 'beat-that-tate-modern' online syndication page.
We /can/ pick and choose which items dis/enabled, we can choose to make new entrants disabled by default. The feed on staging /is/ curated by the person (whoever they are) that looks after the inkscape user on deviantArt.
Perhaps it would make sense then to indicate the curator in some prominent place?
This is certainly a value they're providing, as it can be surprisingly time intensive to do (it was most of the time involved when I worked on the sodipodi site, and then the inkscape site). Besides selecting images, you also field many emails from artists, concerned parents, fans, and bikeshedders.
Including a way to contact the curator might help redirect some of that traffic.
Oh heck, didn't realize Josh was the one doing it. Nevermind all the above.
Bryce
OTOH, one of the things useful about including some user-created content is the testamonial from the artist, perhaps with a description of how they did the work. I see some artists include this on their deviantart page, but it isn't percolated up into our site. With this info, it'd be less a list of 'pretty pictures' and more clearly a showcase of awesome stuff that can be done with the program.
In the old site, we listed the art with the inkscape version used to create them, so you could kind of see the progression of functionality over the releases, which served sort of a similar purpose.
I trust them. Not because I know them, but because they've made good calls in the past and their favorites gallery is filled with good decisions. If /they/ add some new works, our website will update with their decisions automatically enabled for our visitors to enjoy.
Have you mentioned to them about linking to their work from the inkscape site? If not, might be respectful to present this to them before making it official, in case they have any concerns with it.
Other sources, like open-clipart /are/ more arbitrary since any artist can self-select to tag their works inkscape. But that's a source you would set to disable new entrants and you can then have a system of enabling them (which I haven't built, but wouldn't be too hard, a few template tags and a simple curator permission)
In the case of OCAL, maybe better to just link over to that site. That site has additional tools for searching, rendering pngs and creating remixes and stuff.
Bryce
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On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 09:44 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
OTOH, one of the things useful about including some user-created content is the testamonial from the artist, perhaps with a description of how they did the work. I see some artists include this on their deviantart page, but it isn't percolated up into our site. With this info, it'd be less a list of 'pretty pictures' and more clearly a showcase of awesome stuff that can be done with the program.
We have more data from the feed. The description etc. I'm not saving the license or the tags yet, but it's something of a 2.0 job to get a gallery from 'some pictures' to 'some meaning'
Although each feed has a description text too, I set the dA one to a very small amount of text. There's no reason it can't contain the required links, feedbacks and how to get one's work added.
You'll also notice there's no pagination. So there's stuff to do for a handy python developer who wants to learn django at some point.
Martin,
One idea, a inkscape weekly or montly contest and populate with the finalist. Popular rating? Hi, Jabier.
El jue, 26-09-2013 a las 13:13 +0000, Jared Meidal escribió:
Jared,
The deed is done, if you check http://staging.inkscape.org/en/community/gallery/ you'll find my
new
brochure django-cms plugin being used. It pulls in an rss feed,
allows
you to control how indexed entries are enabled from different
sources.
Sorry, but I don't see how showing arbitrary images on our website
is
going to benefit the project.
Alexandre
I'm new to this Inkscape dev community, but one thing I greatly appreciate about the project (besides it being inherently FLOSS) is that what flows from it being opensource is the user and dev community.
Therefore, I see this dynamic user gallery, which is not strictly curated, as a natural outflowing of the philosophy and use of the project itself. I hope that makes sense, and it may not be where everyone else is at, but I think it's a natural bridge to connect the userbase artwork into how we want to represent the software.
By not filtering (or curating, or soliciting) the images we run the risk of hosting "arbitrary images," but so far I see it worthwhile, and at the same time strengthening our bond between devs and users.
If we had a simple way to showcase excellent artwork examples, and had those assets already available, I would be happy to consider another solution. But feeding the activity of an another active site into ours is the best I've currently seen to solve this. (If any artists are out there listening and want to submit artwork for the website, I would think now is the time and place to do so!)
Let me know any other ideas Alexandre!
--Jared
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