Hey all, here are my overdue notes about the google summer of code mentors summit meeting from last SAT, OCT 21, 9-5 PM. They picked up the tab for the event, hotel, etc:
First Session: Screening
Everyone seemed to have their own opinion and success, but it appeared overall that the experiences were similar. I talked about how to successfully get good students by setting up goals, possibly requiring a patch (like INkscape did), and requiring some initial barrier to get rid of the fakers. In the future, seems like it will be a requirement to get students to contact the community in order to become a summer of code student.
I then attended the Google Code Hosting talk and heard from the lead developers who re-emphasized that the project is about co-existing with sf.net and others to increase the bus count. There is interoperability between the few...I'm anxious to try their service as it is very glitzy and will become a much bigger deal in the future I think. They also talked abuot Google BigTable and papers that anyone can read and how they should be looked at...
After that I had lunch with several developers including Behdad Esfahdood, who leads the pango project and works for RedHat. He wants to get pango hooked into Crucible, so Bryce, you might want to follow up with him about this. I also hung out with Bart Massey who is professor at portland state and hosts freedesktop.org servers. I talked with him about some Open Clip Art Library business and other issues that we have in common. I am following up with him because he wants to and said it is really no problem to get us our own server that we can put Open Clip Art Library on...this addresses the lag we have been having on getting admin requests filled, which we talked about. All in all, he was very enthusiastic about OCAL and moving things over because we are pegging the FD.o server, ongoing security issues, and the need for more control over the server.
Next up I participated in a session called "Google Summer of Research" trying to figure out how Google fits into academic research and vice-versa. Seems that Google is trying to sort this out as well, as they funded some academic projects that fit into the Summer of Code, but aren't code exactly...like the Mars Map project.
Next up I went to the Poisonous People talk which underlined so many things I talk about about how to build community, keep it healthy, etc. The best part is what they speakers said are the most important commodities in Open Source: Focus and Attention. Thus, a project has to protect these at all costs (which further underlines the need to work in quiet spaces without tons of activity in the background).
Here are the excellent slides from this talk, the highlight of the day: http://www.red-bean.com/dav/presentations/Poisonous-people.pdf
I then helped lead and particpate in the Google Summer of Content presentation which included several Google-folk, including Leslie who led from Google's end under DiBona. She said they are putting big push on documentation, so this focus on "summer of content" is very important, as they want to have some more content-based commitment next summer.
People kept trying to make this session more about documentation, but I reiterated that coding is more than just code and documentation by giving some nice soliloquys ;)
http://www.red-bean.com/ospowiki/SummerOfContent
Anyway, what is to come from this is that I am leading up following up on this with Karsten Wade, who headed up the Red Hat video project and works on Fedora Core documentation, etc. This is a very cool thing and will push hard to get all content licensed under CC licenses for this next summer, etc. Also, it will be great to push on getting more of the artists to work on tango, etc possibly...is anyone into this idea?
Finally, the day had a wrap-up that answered a gazillion questions and kept the future of the program pragmatic. They had a very optimistic view and expect funding to continue. I started to zone off by that point in the day...
The day seemed to be both a pressure valve and a great endeavour to try and involve the community in the project. Overall, it is a big success and we obviously should continue to work on it in the future.
The best thing to come out of the event is the quick chat with Massey about OCAL, etc. My day also ended with getting to chat with Martin Sevior (abiword) about working closer between Inkscape, abiword, gnumeric, etc, to provide a better user experience and in the face of the closed community policies of OO.o.
He and several other people brought up how unhappy they were with the printing functionality on Inkscape. I forgot about how this is such a need. Mostly, ppl. are stoked about Inkscape, but I underlined that we are working on this with Cairo, etc...who is working on this anyway? Seems like a pretty big area we need help on...
All in all, I highly encourage more ppl. to attend this next year and bathe in the glory of free-ness at the google-plex (they flew ppl. from russia and other places for the one-day event).
oh, I also met Mike Hearn (autopackage) who said he is going through Google's 3-month training program as a new employee. Insane!
Pce!
Jon
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 04:07:46PM -0700, Jon Phillips wrote:
Hey all, here are my overdue notes about the google summer of code mentors summit meeting from last SAT, OCT 21, 9-5 PM. They picked up the tab for the event, hotel, etc:
Thanks! Quite interesting.
After that I had lunch with several developers including Behdad Esfahdood, who leads the pango project and works for RedHat. He wants to get pango hooked into Crucible, so Bryce, you might want to follow up with him about this.
Thanks. Maybe once the new crucible release is out the door I can put some time into helping get him set up. It'd be great to get pango included in the testing we've done.
I also hung out with Bart Massey who is professor at portland state and hosts freedesktop.org servers. I talked with him about some Open Clip Art Library business and other issues that we have in common. I am following up with him because he wants to and said it is really no problem to get us our own server that we can put Open Clip Art Library on.
That's a good idea, but does OCAL have the funds to get a machine?
The best thing to come out of the event is the quick chat with Massey about OCAL, etc. My day also ended with getting to chat with Martin Sevior (abiword) about working closer between Inkscape, abiword, gnumeric, etc, to provide a better user experience and in the face of the closed community policies of OO.o.
Excellent, this is something I've thought to be a good direction to go myself. Have you spoken with anyone from gnumeric?
He and several other people brought up how unhappy they were with the printing functionality on Inkscape. I forgot about how this is such a need. Mostly, ppl. are stoked about Inkscape, but I underlined that we are working on this with Cairo, etc...who is working on this anyway? Seems like a pretty big area we need help on...
Yes, it's been a huge area of complaint. It would be great to see someone new take this area over and really improve it.
oh, I also met Mike Hearn (autopackage) who said he is going through Google's 3-month training program as a new employee. Insane!
Cool, congrats Mike!
Bryce
On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 16:51 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 04:07:46PM -0700, Jon Phillips wrote:
Hey all, here are my overdue notes about the google summer of code mentors summit meeting from last SAT, OCT 21, 9-5 PM. They picked up the tab for the event, hotel, etc:
Thanks! Quite interesting.
After that I had lunch with several developers including Behdad Esfahdood, who leads the pango project and works for RedHat. He wants to get pango hooked into Crucible, so Bryce, you might want to follow up with him about this.
Thanks. Maybe once the new crucible release is out the door I can put some time into helping get him set up. It'd be great to get pango included in the testing we've done.
Cool...he said he is working on getting a test suite setup, so helping to shape this might be key for plugging into crucible.
I also hung out with Bart Massey who is professor at portland state and hosts freedesktop.org servers. I talked with him about some Open Clip Art Library business and other issues that we have in common. I am following up with him because he wants to and said it is really no problem to get us our own server that we can put Open Clip Art Library on.
That's a good idea, but does OCAL have the funds to get a machine?
He said they could get one...and are in a good position to do this...
The best thing to come out of the event is the quick chat with Massey about OCAL, etc. My day also ended with getting to chat with Martin Sevior (abiword) about working closer between Inkscape, abiword, gnumeric, etc, to provide a better user experience and in the face of the closed community policies of OO.o.
Excellent, this is something I've thought to be a good direction to go myself. Have you spoken with anyone from gnumeric?
Not yet...but am ramping that up...
He and several other people brought up how unhappy they were with the printing functionality on Inkscape. I forgot about how this is such a need. Mostly, ppl. are stoked about Inkscape, but I underlined that we are working on this with Cairo, etc...who is working on this anyway? Seems like a pretty big area we need help on...
Yes, it's been a huge area of complaint. It would be great to see someone new take this area over and really improve it.
Right, I think it would be good to start pushing on our blog, in our press releases, etc, areas where we need help to highlight that we are doing things well, but always need new people are want to hack on these things...
Jon
oh, I also met Mike Hearn (autopackage) who said he is going through Google's 3-month training program as a new employee. Insane!
Cool, congrats Mike!
Bryce
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