Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just not sure in our circle)
On the Linux side, I'm trying to get a feel for how old the distros everyone uses are... does anyone lag any older than one "LTS" for example? Do people tend to upgrade with every release? For me, I tend to run whatever the next release of Ubuntu is (so I'm using what will be 10.10 for example)... what can I say other than I like bleeding. ;)
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
There is relevance to me asking this, but I will hold off on sharing until there's a bit of feedback.
Cheers, Josh
I use Windows XP and Windows 7 (32 bit)
- Alvin Penner
2011/7/5 Josh Andler <scislac@...400...>:
Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just not sure in our circle)
Windows XP in VM and dual-boot with Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, however I don't have a dev environment set up in the dual boot. Regards, Krzysztof
W dniu 6 lipca 2011 02:56 użytkownik Krzysztof Kosiński <tweenk.pl@...400...> napisał:
2011/7/5 Josh Andler <scislac@...400...>:
Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just not sure in our circle)
Windows XP in VM and dual-boot with Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, however I don't have a dev environment set up in the dual boot. Regards, Krzysztof
My answer could have been unclear; currently I have two systems: 1. Desktop PC - dual boots Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) and Windows 7 Pro 64-bit; Ubuntu has Windows XP 32-bit installed in VirtualBox. I do Windows development mostly on the VirtualBox instance of XP, though everything not Windows-specific is done under Ubuntu. 2. Laptop - Ubuntu 11.04 only.
I upgrade to the latest stable Ubuntu release soon after it is out.
Regards, Krzysztof
I've got xp & vista that get run regularly.
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jul 2011, at 22:54, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just not sure in our circle)
On the Linux side, I'm trying to get a feel for how old the distros everyone uses are... does anyone lag any older than one "LTS" for example? Do people tend to upgrade with every release? For me, I tend to run whatever the next release of Ubuntu is (so I'm using what will be 10.10 for example)... what can I say other than I like bleeding. ;)
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
There is relevance to me asking this, but I will hold off on sharing until there's a bit of feedback.
Cheers, Josh
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On 07/05/2011 11:54 PM, Josh Andler wrote:
On the Linux side, I'm trying to get a feel for how old the distros everyone uses are... does anyone lag any older than one "LTS" for example? Do people tend to upgrade with every release?
At home I run Fedora 15, which is my main development machine, but at work I'm still stuck with OpenSuse 11.2 (only because I haven't taken the time to reinstall it myself). 1.5 to 2 years old is the max for me, and I typically upgrade every other release.
Diederik
On Tuesday, July 05, 2011 05:54:31 pm Josh Andler wrote:
Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running
regularly? Do many
still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still
pretty common, just
not sure in our circle)
On the Linux side, I'm trying to get a feel for how old
the distros
everyone uses are... does anyone lag any older than one
"LTS" for example?
Do people tend to upgrade with every release? For me, I
tend to run
whatever the next release of Ubuntu is (so I'm using what
will be 10.10
for example)... what can I say other than I like
bleeding. ;)
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
There is relevance to me asking this, but I will hold off
on sharing until
there's a bit of feedback.
Cheers, Josh
I currently run Linux Salix 13.38 that is derived from Slackware 13.38. Salix, unlike Slackware proper, offers an Inkscape dounload, currently 0.48.1 I also have a Slackware 12.2 partition just to use Quanta Plus, the best free html editor program I have found.
I generally don't run Slackware-current versions, which would be bleeding edge.
Applications drive my upgrade habits. Specifically Scribus 1.3.5 et seq. drove me kicking and screaming into Slackware 13 and QT4. I now run Scribus 1.4.0rc5 (and counting) and also Scribus 1.5.0 which has pdf X/1-a:2001 capability. These get downloaded and recompiled nightly, although both seem to be stuck in mid-June.
When libraries are upgraded that starts the cycle. The next release of e.g., Inkscape or Scribus or Gimp will use these upgraded libraries. But libraries typically don't ship with the application program. So the user can either go to the next release of the OS or else spend a week in library hell trying to figure out what depends on what. Hence I stay with the latest stable release of the OS, even though it may be quite inferior in other respects to a previous release.
Happily one can always use another UI. I use XFCE because I won't put up with the nonsense found in KDE 4. Newer is not always better.
@Josh - I always run the latest stable version of Ubuntu (currently Natty 11.04) and also have a VM running the latest development version (Oneiric 11.10). I also have access to Windows 7 but I very rarely use it.
AV
On 8 July 2011 21:16, John Culleton <john@...1202...> wrote:
On Tuesday, July 05, 2011 05:54:31 pm Josh Andler wrote:
Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many
still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just
not sure in our circle)
On the Linux side, I'm trying to get a feel for how old the distros
everyone uses are... does anyone lag any older than one "LTS" for example?
Do people tend to upgrade with every release? For me, I tend to run
whatever the next release of Ubuntu is (so I'm using what will be 10.10
for example)... what can I say other than I like bleeding. ;)
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
There is relevance to me asking this, but I will hold off on sharing until
there's a bit of feedback.
Cheers,
Josh
I currently run Linux Salix 13.38 that is derived from Slackware 13.38. Salix, unlike Slackware proper, offers an Inkscape dounload, currently 0.48.1 I also have a Slackware 12.2 partition just to use Quanta Plus, the best free html editor program I have found.
I generally don't run Slackware-current versions, which would be bleeding edge.
Applications drive my upgrade habits. Specifically Scribus 1.3.5 et seq. drove me kicking and screaming into Slackware 13 and QT4. I now run Scribus 1.4.0rc5 (and counting) and also Scribus 1.5.0 which has pdf X/1-a:2001 capability. These get downloaded and recompiled nightly, although both seem to be stuck in mid-June.
When libraries are upgraded that starts the cycle. The next release of e.g., Inkscape or Scribus or Gimp will use these upgraded libraries. But libraries typically don't ship with the application program. So the user can either go to the next release of the OS or else spend a week in library hell
trying to figure out what depends on what. Hence I stay with the latest stable release of the OS, even though it may be quite inferior in other respects to a previous release.
Happily one can always use another UI. I use XFCE because I won't put up with the nonsense found in KDE 4. Newer is not always better.
--
John Culleton
"Death Wore Black" Police procedural: http://www.deathworeblack.com/
"Create Book Covers with Scribus"
http://booklocker.com/books/4055.html
All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just not sure in our circle)
On the Linux side, I'm trying to get a feel for how old the distros everyone uses are... does anyone lag any older than one "LTS" for example? Do people tend to upgrade with every release? For me, I tend to run whatever the next release of Ubuntu is (so I'm using what will be 10.10 for example)... what can I say other than I like bleeding. ;)
My dev machine (where I compile Inkscape very regularly) is on Ubuntu 10.10. On the same computer, I also compile Inkscape on XP (regularly) and Ubuntu LTS (from time to time), in Virtual boxes.
I can also run tests on my wife's laptop (Vista) and on my notebook (dual boot Ubuntu 11.04 and Windows 7) when there are OS specific issues. All operating systems are 32 bits.
Regards. -- Nicolas
On 05-07-11 23:54, Josh Andler wrote:
Hey All,
Windows devs, what version of Win are you all running regularly? Do many still run XP or 2000? (I know user-wise they're still pretty common, just not sure in our circle)
I'm running Vista. And I'm starting to be curious as to your intentions :)
On 5/7/11 23:54, Josh Andler wrote:
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
Not a typical Mac user here:
Still using Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 (32bit) on my late 2008 MacBookPro (Intel), even though the hardware would have supported the upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (64bit).
I don't have plans to migrate to a new version of the OS, until I manage to buy me a second computer. The current one is kept up-to-date with security and system updates provided by Apple (sometimes I might wait a few weeks with installing the update after it has been pushed, depending on the urgency of the fixed issues).
MacPorts, which provides most of the dependencies required for self-compiled ported software, gets updated about every other week, or whenever a newer version of an important library is available.
~suv
Hey All,
Okay, so my intentions with this thread was to find out more about our contributors. Partially just to find out what people are using and have available, as well as to see if we could possibly do a one-time bump on required versions of libraries we link against. For me, I am asking for this across the board (to what Ubuntu 10.10 shipped with) so that we can use some newer gtk features as well (in addition to the cairo need).
We do have a couple people that responded who are still running Lucid (10.04) and that's where we have hit the cairo issue... basically we need a feature that was shipped with a later version of cairo. I see that Alex went ahead and bumped the cairo requirement in trunk, which we can revert if necessary, but I'm more interested in finding out if people will really protest this one-time early lib version bump.
For the record, the replaced renderer and the fact that we're in a refactoring development cycle are the only things that make the early bump an option in my view. I would never ask this of people during any normal development cycle, so please don't be concerned that this will be a trend by any means.
So, anyone against this or in favor of it?
Note: This will have zero impact on windows devs since we supply the libs and minimal impact on OSX (it seems) since the macports stuff appears to be pretty up-to-date.
Cheers, Josh
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:36 AM, ~suv <suv-sf@...58...> wrote:
On 5/7/11 23:54, Josh Andler wrote:
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
Not a typical Mac user here:
Still using Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 (32bit) on my late 2008 MacBookPro (Intel), even though the hardware would have supported the upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (64bit).
I don't have plans to migrate to a new version of the OS, until I manage to buy me a second computer. The current one is kept up-to-date with security and system updates provided by Apple (sometimes I might wait a few weeks with installing the update after it has been pushed, depending on the urgency of the fixed issues).
MacPorts, which provides most of the dependencies required for self-compiled ported software, gets updated about every other week, or whenever a newer version of an important library is available.
~suv
Hi Josh,
The cairo version bump was just supposed to reflect the fact that builds will currently fail with cairo < 1.10. I didn't intend it to be a declaration that we no longer support cairo < 1.10. If we are willing to provide code alternatives for cairo 1.8, then we can reduce the version for pkg-config.
Thanks,
Alex
On 19 July 2011 18:15, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
Hey All,
Okay, so my intentions with this thread was to find out more about our contributors. Partially just to find out what people are using and have available, as well as to see if we could possibly do a one-time bump on required versions of libraries we link against. For me, I am asking for this across the board (to what Ubuntu 10.10 shipped with) so that we can use some newer gtk features as well (in addition to the cairo need).
We do have a couple people that responded who are still running Lucid (10.04) and that's where we have hit the cairo issue... basically we need a feature that was shipped with a later version of cairo. I see that Alex went ahead and bumped the cairo requirement in trunk, which we can revert if necessary, but I'm more interested in finding out if people will really protest this one-time early lib version bump.
For the record, the replaced renderer and the fact that we're in a refactoring development cycle are the only things that make the early bump an option in my view. I would never ask this of people during any normal development cycle, so please don't be concerned that this will be a trend by any means.
So, anyone against this or in favor of it?
Note: This will have zero impact on windows devs since we supply the libs and minimal impact on OSX (it seems) since the macports stuff appears to be pretty up-to-date.
Cheers, Josh
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:36 AM, ~suv <suv-sf@...58...> wrote:
On 5/7/11 23:54, Josh Andler wrote:
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
Not a typical Mac user here:
Still using Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 (32bit) on my late 2008 MacBookPro (Intel), even though the hardware would have supported the upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (64bit).
I don't have plans to migrate to a new version of the OS, until I manage to buy me a second computer. The current one is kept up-to-date with security and system updates provided by Apple (sometimes I might wait a few weeks with installing the update after it has been pushed, depending on the urgency of the fixed issues).
MacPorts, which provides most of the dependencies required for self-compiled ported software, gets updated about every other week, or whenever a newer version of an important library is available.
~suv
Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes in-depth analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
Hey Alex,
In no way was I implying that you were arbitrarily bumping the requirement... at the moment there is a need since there is no conditional code (if it's even doable for this issue). :) I knew what you did and why you did it, I'm sorry if I didn't communicate that well in my previous message (my brain is not fully awake yet and I'm not a coffee person).
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Alex Valavanis <valavanisalex@...400...> wrote:
Hi Josh,
The cairo version bump was just supposed to reflect the fact that builds will currently fail with cairo < 1.10. I didn't intend it to be a declaration that we no longer support cairo < 1.10. If we are willing to provide code alternatives for cairo 1.8, then we can reduce the version for pkg-config.
Thanks,
Alex
On 19 July 2011 18:15, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
Hey All,
Okay, so my intentions with this thread was to find out more about our contributors. Partially just to find out what people are using and have available, as well as to see if we could possibly do a one-time bump on required versions of libraries we link against. For me, I am asking for this across the board (to what Ubuntu 10.10 shipped with) so that we can use some newer gtk features as well (in addition to the cairo need).
We do have a couple people that responded who are still running Lucid (10.04) and that's where we have hit the cairo issue... basically we need a feature that was shipped with a later version of cairo. I see that Alex went ahead and bumped the cairo requirement in trunk, which we can revert if necessary, but I'm more interested in finding out if people will really protest this one-time early lib version bump.
For the record, the replaced renderer and the fact that we're in a refactoring development cycle are the only things that make the early bump an option in my view. I would never ask this of people during any normal development cycle, so please don't be concerned that this will be a trend by any means.
So, anyone against this or in favor of it?
Note: This will have zero impact on windows devs since we supply the libs and minimal impact on OSX (it seems) since the macports stuff appears to be pretty up-to-date.
Cheers, Josh
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:36 AM, ~suv <suv-sf@...58...> wrote:
On 5/7/11 23:54, Josh Andler wrote:
On the Mac side, what are your upgrade habits?
Not a typical Mac user here:
Still using Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 (32bit) on my late 2008 MacBookPro (Intel), even though the hardware would have supported the upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (64bit).
I don't have plans to migrate to a new version of the OS, until I manage to buy me a second computer. The current one is kept up-to-date with security and system updates provided by Apple (sometimes I might wait a few weeks with installing the update after it has been pushed, depending on the urgency of the fixed issues).
MacPorts, which provides most of the dependencies required for self-compiled ported software, gets updated about every other week, or whenever a newer version of an important library is available.
~suv
Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes in-depth analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
2011/7/19 Josh Andler <scislac@...400...>:
Hey Alex,
In no way was I implying that you were arbitrarily bumping the requirement... at the moment there is a need since there is no conditional code (if it's even doable for this issue). :)
For cairo < 1.10, we can use GdkRegion instead, which is functionally equivalent. Ideally we could add some equivalent code to lib2geom as Geom::Region.
Keep in mind that Cairo < 1.11.2 has rather severe rendering glitches (I think I wrote about them already), so we could accompany the release with some instructions on how to install a locally compiled Cairo.
Regards, Krzysztof
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Alvin Penner -
Diederik van Lierop -
Drechsel Wolf -
Jasper van de Gronde -
Johan Engelen -
John Cliff -
John Culleton -
Josh Andler -
Krzysztof Kosiński -
Nicolas Dufour -
~suv