Out of curiousity, how many of you folks out there currently use docked toolboxes? (i.e. extra toolboxes embedded in the document window)
I'm seriously considering killing the feature to free up UI space.
We still have the floating toolbox, and that's the way most drawing apps do it. The recent transient work also diminishes the advantage of having a toolbox in the window -- the detached toolbox now stays raised with the document window too.
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, MenTaLguY wrote:
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:27:34 -0500 From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> To: Inkscape ML inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] docked toolboxes
Out of curiousity, how many of you folks out there currently use docked toolboxes? (i.e. extra toolboxes embedded in the document window)
I'm seriously considering killing the feature to free up UI space.
I prefer the docked toolbox but it is not ideal. I'd much rather be able to get a single or double row of icons right flush against the side.
We still have the floating toolbox, and that's the way most drawing apps do it. The recent transient work also diminishes the advantage of having a toolbox in the window -- the detached toolbox now stays raised with the document window too.
There is a bug report Bryce made that I added some comments to about the Toolbox/Palette ugliness (please take a quick look in the RFE section of the inkscape bug tracker on sourceforge.net, I'll post a direct link later if necessary)
I'd like to see inkscape have a menubar and one or more toolbars. Particularly for the basic items (new, save, open, etc) a toolbar makes more sense. It is less cluttered, easier to allow users to change (show/hide/customize?) and it means that developers can push GTK and libegg for widget improvements instead of having to reinvent the wheel.
I also have a vague notion that the floating Toolbox could just be an undocked resized toolbar, if the widget toolkit is smart enough.
(Feel free to whack me with the cluestick if I'm being unrealistic, or overreaching, my technical knowledge can be terribly superficial at times).
Sincerely
Alan H.
P.S. In a hurry, but I would be happy to try and provide a more coherent explanation of what I mean later if it would help.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:27:34PM -0500, MenTaLguY wrote:
Out of curiousity, how many of you folks out there currently use docked toolboxes? (i.e. extra toolboxes embedded in the document window)
General Q along these lines:
What is wrong with using GTK toolbars, or perhaps some variation? They can dock horiz/vert, can detach and float horiz/vert, and they are always-on-top (to help with what Bulia seems to be shooting for). I could imagine some tweaks (giving them more of a 'window' look when floating (see KDE's version of the same), and allowing them to be 'boxed' instead of simply in a line horiz or vert). Not being a gtkmm coder, it seems to be a sort of 80/20 problem (we have 80% of what we want with 20% of the effort) compared to sort of re-inventing this in a slightly different way....
If you play around with Gnumeric or Konsole you can see what I'm talking about (for those who dont already know)...just make sure that you have the 'detachable toolbars' feature turned on in Gnome (would need to make this Ink-specific I'd think, since its has a significant amount of UI impact)
Kind Regards, Tom
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