Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut was easier to do with one hand.
Most keys are already taken. Feel free to propose another shortcut.
Also, I think there should be another feature that should be added called EXPAND, which allows for selected cloned objects to be made into complete copies of the referenced image.
Better "Unlink clone". Also a command to look up a clone's original.
Also, markers applied to the original do not apply to the clones.
Yes. Please file a bug.
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On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 02:11, bulia byak wrote:
Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut was easier to do with one hand.
Most keys are already taken. Feel free to propose another shortcut.
Also, I think there should be another feature that should be added called EXPAND, which allows for selected cloned objects to be made into complete copies of the referenced image.
Better "Unlink clone". Also a command to look up a clone's original.
Also, markers applied to the original do not apply to the clones.
Yes. Please file a bug.
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, bulia byak wrote:
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:11:34 +0000 From: bulia byak <archiver_1@...19...> To: jon@...235... Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Clone command
Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut was easier to do with one hand.
I was going to comment on the shortcut too!
Developers will probably want to reserve Ctrl+Shift+N for New Layer or New from Template, which is the kind of thing that shortcut is normally used for. It would be very confusing for users to keep that shortcut given that it is already strongly associated with certain actions in many other applications and dekstops.
Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later.
Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone tools? The Gimp uses the single letter 'C' for Clone (dont know what Adobe Photoshop uses) which seems reasonable.
For primary tools like this I think it is quite appropriate to use single letter shortcuts (or possibly Shift+Letter).
Most keys are already taken. Feel free to propose another shortcut.
hope my suggestions are of use, gotta go
Sincerely
Alan H.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut was easier to do with one hand.
Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later.
Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone tools?
Does Scribus have support for the clone command? Scribus has a nifty capability to create a border pattern from a given svg item, but it appears to create copies of the image, which can take a lot more file space than if it were done via <use>. Is there a way to do that in Scribus?
Bryce
Corel Draw has a clone tool. I didn't read all the thread, so I will explain it from my experience:
Clone tool is like making a model. When you copy from the model, you get new exact objects. When you modify the model all children are updated to reflect the new changes.
Yours: Néstor Díaz
El Domingo, 4 de Julio de 2004 09:41, Bryce Harrington escribió:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut was easier to do with one hand.
Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later.
Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone tools?
Does Scribus have support for the clone command? Scribus has a nifty capability to create a border pattern from a given svg item, but it appears to create copies of the image, which can take a lot more file space than if it were done via <use>. Is there a way to do that in Scribus?
Bryce
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut
was
easier to do with one hand.
Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to
a
Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that
you
make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont
know
how you plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later.
Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone tools?
CorelDraw 10 clone command operates similarly to Inkscape though not exact. Clones are made by edit/clone one at a time from the original object and can be moved over canvas. They retain character of the original object and change with it ie. colour, line thickness, gradient etc. As soon as a change is made to a clone then that function is then decoupled from the original. Ie if line thickness of a clone is changed then subsequent changes to the original do not affect the line thickness of that clone. Other things such as colour do still change. Again, if colour of the clone is changed it then remains that colour. So items appear to be treated in isolation and to decouple individually. Clones do not move with the original. I could not see how to identify the original from a clone which is a great ability in Inskape. Bear in mind that CorelDraw is very complex and there may be buried commands to do these things.
Xara X1 has a clone command but it seems like a misnomer. It simply is a copy (duplicate) command producing a copy superimposed on the original. The copy is not linked to the original.
Expression 3 has clones which appear to operate like Inkscape. From the Help manual: 7.17 Working with Clones The clone is a special kind of object that is closely
related to the path. A newly created clone looks
exactly like the path from which it is formed (the
master path), but it is not just a duplicate of the
master path. Unlike its master (or any ordinary
path), a clone does not have nodes, and cannot be
edited directly. In fact, its structure remains tied to,
and dependent on, the master's, and whenever the
master's nodes are edited, the clone's shape is
updated to follow.
Clones can, however, have their own stroke and fill
attributes, and be transformed independent of their
masters. When a master is deleted or unstructured, a
clone will be automatically freed, or converted to a
path.
. Creating a clone from a path: Select the
path, and choose Edit > Clone.
. Selecting the master of a clone: Select
the clone, and choose Edit > Select Master.
Its too late tonight (this morning) to test Expresion so I'll try and do it tomorrow and let you know. vellum.
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