Dots with Pen and Pencil tool broken?
Hi,
Drawing dots with the Pen and Pencil tools seems to be broken with 0.47. Does anybody else see this? (Hold Ctrl key down while clicking with the mouse.)
Tav
It is only in the Pen tool, and in the 3rd and 4th modes from my understanding. (not regular or spiro)
Cheers, Josh
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 11:46 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Hi,
Drawing dots with the Pen and Pencil tools seems to be broken with 0.47. Does anybody else see this? (Hold Ctrl key down while clicking with the mouse.)
Tav
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Thanks for the answer. That's new behavior so it should be in the release notes (in v0.46 it worked for both the Pencil and Pen tools in regular mode). I'll add it later if no one else does.
Tav
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 02:54 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
It is only in the Pen tool, and in the 3rd and 4th modes from my understanding. (not regular or spiro)
Cheers, Josh
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 11:46 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Hi,
Drawing dots with the Pen and Pencil tools seems to be broken with 0.47. Does anybody else see this? (Hold Ctrl key down while clicking with the mouse.)
Oh, and there is still an entry in the Inkscape Preferences Pencil section to set dot size....
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 02:54 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
It is only in the Pen tool, and in the 3rd and 4th modes from my understanding. (not regular or spiro)
Cheers, Josh
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 11:46 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Hi,
Drawing dots with the Pen and Pencil tools seems to be broken with 0.47. Does anybody else see this? (Hold Ctrl key down while clicking with the mouse.)
Tav
Preference for dot size in Pencil has been removed. Thanks for pointing that out!
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 14:56 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Oh, and there is still an entry in the Inkscape Preferences Pencil section to set dot size....
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 02:54 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
It is only in the Pen tool, and in the 3rd and 4th modes from my understanding. (not regular or spiro)
Cheers, Josh
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 11:46 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Hi,
Drawing dots with the Pen and Pencil tools seems to be broken with 0.47. Does anybody else see this? (Hold Ctrl key down while clicking with the mouse.)
Tav
2009/8/22 Joshua A. Andler <scislac@...400...>:
It is only in the Pen tool, and in the 3rd and 4th modes from my understanding. (not regular or spiro)
Thanks for the answer. That's new behavior so it should be in the release notes (in v0.46 it worked for both the Pencil and Pen tools in regular mode). I'll add it later if no one else does.
Was this change intentional (and if so, why was it made)? If not, we should fix it instead of documenting it. :-)
Max
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Maximilian Albert<maximilian.albert@...1439...> wrote:
Was this change intentional (and if so, why was it made)? If not, we should fix it instead of documenting it. :-)
Yes, it was my change, for two reasons: 1) this is a geometric function, making little sense in artistic drawing modes and 2) it really gets in the way when you're trying to use ctrl to create straight or axis-aligned lines - but in the geometric modes they are createable without ctrl, which frees it for creating dots.
2009/8/23 bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>:
Yes, it was my change, for two reasons: 1) this is a geometric function, making little sense in artistic drawing modes
Hmm, I'm not a professional artist myself, so I respect the opinion of those who are. But I don't agree that it's a purely geometric function. For example, it greatly simplifies the creation of simple stipple patterns and related things. In particular, the "random mode" of this functionality (Ctlr+Alt+click) is a distinctly non-geometric feature. That's why I think it should be available in the Pencil tool, too (in fact, I have hardly ever used it in the Pen tool at all).
- it really gets in the way when you're trying to use ctrl to create
straight or axis-aligned lines
Why? Points are only created upon the first click where pressing Ctrl doesn't make sense anyway because it doesn't have any effect.
What are other people's opinions? I'd just be interested what suits most people's workflow best.
Max
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Maximilian Albert<maximilian.albert@...1439...> wrote:
- it really gets in the way when you're trying to use ctrl to create
straight or axis-aligned lines
Why? Points are only created upon the first click where pressing Ctrl doesn't make sense anyway because it doesn't have any effect.
When I draw something with Ctrl, I usually just hold it pressed all the time, not only press when I need to constrain something. It's much easier this way, but dots are then really getting in the way.
2009/8/24 bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>:
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Maximilian Albert<maximilian.albert@...1439...> wrote:
- it really gets in the way when you're trying to use ctrl to create
straight or axis-aligned lines
Why? Points are only created upon the first click where pressing Ctrl doesn't make sense anyway because it doesn't have any effect.
When I draw something with Ctrl, I usually just hold it pressed all the time, not only press when I need to constrain something. It's much easier this way, but dots are then really getting in the way.
Ah, I see. But isn't the Pen tool more suited for creating axis-aligned lines anyway, so that we can at least retain the dot-drawing functionality in the Pencil tool? I feel a bit sorry for not having it available there any more. ;-)
Max
On 2009-August-23 , at 16:31 , bulia byak wrote:
- this is a geometric
function, making little sense in artistic drawing modes
Maybe it is a bit too late now, but I also disagree that it is purely geometric. For example, in pencil and ink drawings, dots are often used for shading, as a cleaner alternative to hatching. I used the pencil tool to make these drawings and being able to hold CTRL and tap with a pen on a tablet to shade and give volume to the line-drawing was very useful.
(small and lame) example: http://jo.irisson.com/illustration/carcinus_maenas_dessin.png
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OK, sorry for late meddling :) but I restored the dot mode in Pencil (but not regular/spiro modes of Pen), since there it is not as annoying (for me) and since people seem to want it back. The prefs page and keys.xml is updated too.
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 16:23 +0200, JiHO wrote:
On 2009-August-23 , at 16:31 , bulia byak wrote:
- this is a geometric
function, making little sense in artistic drawing modes
Maybe it is a bit too late now, but I also disagree that it is purely geometric. For example, in pencil and ink drawings, dots are often used for shading, as a cleaner alternative to hatching. I used the pencil tool to make these drawings and being able to hold CTRL and tap with a pen on a tablet to shade and give volume to the line-drawing was very useful.
Yeah, a little too late unfortunately.
It may not purely be a geometric function, however, it definitely is primarily so. Honestly though, a simple key press can switch you to the pen/bezier tool to do what you desire and shouldn't be too painful (with another key press to switch you back).
One day when Inkscape can be controlled purely by thought, none of this will be an issue. ;)
(small and lame) example: http://jo.irisson.com/illustration/carcinus_maenas_dessin.png
Not lame, actually a nice example of what you're talking about.
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 09:54 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 16:23 +0200, JiHO wrote:
On 2009-August-23 , at 16:31 , bulia byak wrote:
- this is a geometric
function, making little sense in artistic drawing modes
Maybe it is a bit too late now, but I also disagree that it is purely geometric. For example, in pencil and ink drawings, dots are often used for shading, as a cleaner alternative to hatching. I used the pencil tool to make these drawings and being able to hold CTRL and tap with a pen on a tablet to shade and give volume to the line-drawing was very useful.
Yeah, a little too late unfortunately.
Well, that's what *I* get for responding before finishing catching up on all my email. :D Glad bulia helped you out.
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:23 PM, JiHO wrote:
(small and lame) example: http://jo.irisson.com/illustration/carcinus_maenas_dessin.png
Which reminds me that we don't have enough .47 screenshots. Despite of a call for screenshots at inkscapeforum.com.
Alexandre
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 21:03 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:23 PM, JiHO wrote:
(small and lame) example: http://jo.irisson.com/illustration/carcinus_maenas_dessin.png
Which reminds me that we don't have enough .47 screenshots. Despite of a call for screenshots at inkscapeforum.com.
I'm already on those for today. Should hopefully have 3 more up before I go to sleep tonight (including Maddrum's awesome photorealistic one).
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 10:18 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 21:03 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:23 PM, JiHO wrote:
(small and lame) example: http://jo.irisson.com/illustration/carcinus_maenas_dessin.png
Which reminds me that we don't have enough .47 screenshots. Despite of a call for screenshots at inkscapeforum.com.
I'm already on those for today. Should hopefully have 3 more up before I go to sleep tonight (including Maddrum's awesome photorealistic one).
I did not get finished with the write-up/descriptions (although have completed rough drafts) so they will be up tomorrow... sorry about my optimistic thoughts of how the day would play out.
The "action" shots I have lined up are great show pieces, however, not necessarily showing new features. With that said... we still need some great "new features" shots. Either way, just wanted to keep everyone posted.
Cheers, Josh
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