http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&ti...
(Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?)
Bryce
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:16, Bryce Harrington wrote:
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&ti... 31&tid=130
(Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?)
You tell us Bryce? :)
Craig
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:16, Bryce Harrington wrote:
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&ti... 31&tid=130
(Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?)
You tell us Bryce? :)
Depends on how many of you can lend me a hand.
:-)
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 19:05 -0800, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:16, Bryce Harrington wrote:
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&ti... 31&tid=130
(Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?)
You tell us Bryce? :)
Depends on how many of you can lend me a hand.
What needs to be done? Slice and dice the problem into chunks...this will be great to support! Ah, once implemented then can start to work on the OpenColor system to rival Pantone. MRDOCS and I talked about this? Craig, how do you all deal with the whole Pantone-dominance issue?
Jon
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Jon Phillips wrote:
What needs to be done? Slice and dice the problem into chunks...this will be great to support! Ah, once implemented then can start to work on the OpenColor system to rival Pantone. MRDOCS and I talked about this? Craig, how do you all deal with the whole Pantone-dominance issue?
Jon
I don't understand your question. Pantone has to do with the Pantone ink formulations that printers use. You specify Pantone (PMS) colors in your art so that when you take it to the printer they create a separate printer plate for the offset press that will use that color ink. I don't understand what you're suggesting be changed about that.
-Kevin
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 23:37 -0500, Kevin Wixson wrote:
Jon Phillips wrote:
What needs to be done? Slice and dice the problem into chunks...this will be great to support! Ah, once implemented then can start to work on the OpenColor system to rival Pantone. MRDOCS and I talked about this? Craig, how do you all deal with the whole Pantone-dominance issue?
Jon
I don't understand your question. Pantone has to do with the Pantone ink formulations that printers use. You specify Pantone (PMS) colors in your art so that when you take it to the printer they create a separate printer plate for the offset press that will use that color ink. I don't understand what you're suggesting be changed about that.
In order to explictly include Pantone color support, we would have to license their colors. Pantone colors are industry standard and Pantone has a complete monopoly on color. I want to develop an OpenColor standard akin to Pantone that anyone can use for free and also provide swatches and colors for free. I want to research this a bit and develop our own. However, I'm not sure to what level we could use Pantone in Inkscape, Scribus or GIMP. To be taken seriously by printing houses, we really need to sort this one out. lcms helps with this task.
Jon
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On Thursday 17 March 2005 04:12, Jon Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 19:05 -0800, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:16, Bryce Harrington wrote:
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&t id=1 31&tid=130
(Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?)
You tell us Bryce? :)
Depends on how many of you can lend me a hand.
What needs to be done? Slice and dice the problem into chunks...this will be great to support! Ah, once implemented then can start to work on the OpenColor system to rival Pantone. MRDOCS and I talked about this? Craig, how do you all deal with the whole Pantone-dominance issue?
We cant. Its well and truly embedded in the printing market, however all it is is a simple list of colours and their references which are embedded into PS/PDF. Providing a method for this addition by the USER, for whatever system, be that Pantone or any of the others out there can easily be done with a reference field in the colour files. Speaking of which, we never really progressed with the colour file format we discussed ages ago.
Craig
On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 08:00 +0100, Craig Bradney wrote:
On Thursday 17 March 2005 04:12, Jon Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 19:05 -0800, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
Craig Bradney wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:16, Bryce Harrington wrote:
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&t id=1 31&tid=130
(Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?)
You tell us Bryce? :)
Depends on how many of you can lend me a hand.
What needs to be done? Slice and dice the problem into chunks...this will be great to support! Ah, once implemented then can start to work on the OpenColor system to rival Pantone. MRDOCS and I talked about this? Craig, how do you all deal with the whole Pantone-dominance issue?
We cant. Its well and truly embedded in the printing market, however all it is is a simple list of colours and their references which are embedded into PS/PDF. Providing a method for this addition by the USER, for whatever system, be that Pantone or any of the others out there can easily be done with a reference field in the colour files. Speaking of which, we never really progressed with the colour file format we discussed ages ago.
Well, where do we go from here. I think this is of vital importance. Here is the wiki item that describes what we discussed oh so long ago:
http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ScribusInteroperability
It would be good to standardize on color format and also how to interoperate with Pantone. It looks like SCRIBUS already has a long list of colors, so maybe we can use these color names as the first OpenColor colors. Then, maybe we can make a chart that shows the equivalent pantone. I don't think we can include this conversion data with our apps, but I wonder what we could do to provide Pantone interoperability?
The other thinking is that OpenColor could be a sub-project of the Open Clip Art Library and color swatches could be large part of the library -- all SVG-based color swatches. Any ideas on this anyone? This would only really work with support from Scribus, Inkscape and Gimp, right?
Fortunately, Scribus and Gimp are much further along in color swatch support, so there are some implementations to think about for a general approach.
Jon
PS: Man, talk about a monopoly....Pantone has the monopoly on color!!!
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Jon Phillips wrote:
Well, where do we go from here. I think this is of vital importance. Here is the wiki item that describes what we discussed oh so long ago:
... PS: Man, talk about a monopoly....Pantone has the monopoly on color!!!
Just throwing this out there: Is there any way, once there is a "swatch" dialog/palette/window in Inkscape, for users to import a set of swatches from some sort of file? Several free swatch libraries could be bundled with Inkscape, but somehow people could get the Pantone library from Pantone if they needed it.
http://www.pantone.com/products/products.asp?idSubArea=0&idArea=3&id...
The above link shows an application that provides the following support for applications to use PMS: "Plus, any application that accesses the Windows System Color Picker or Mac OS X color picker."
So, what I'm thinking is that users who want to use PMS download and install this $50 program, and somehow Inkscape is capable of using the functionality it provides to select PMS colors.
...or...
There's a link there to inquire about PMS integration with applications that don't currently support it. Maybe Pantone could be convinced to create and sell some sort of file that would be compatible with a standard open source color management / library system that could be shared across open source applications. Download/buy once, use in Scribus, GIMP, Inkscape, Open Office, etc.
Unfortunately, unless someone wants to come up with new ink formulations, license those formulations under GPL (or patent equivalent), convince some manufacturer to produce the inks and then convince some printing companies to buy the inks and use them, there is no alternative to somehow supporting PMS.
-Kevin
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 12:23 -0500, Kevin Wixson wrote:
Jon Phillips wrote:
Well, where do we go from here. I think this is of vital importance. Here is the wiki item that describes what we discussed oh so long ago:
... PS: Man, talk about a monopoly....Pantone has the monopoly on color!!!
Just throwing this out there: Is there any way, once there is a "swatch" dialog/palette/window in Inkscape, for users to import a set of swatches from some sort of file? Several free swatch libraries could be bundled with Inkscape, but somehow people could get the Pantone library from Pantone if they needed it.
http://www.pantone.com/products/products.asp?idSubArea=0&idArea=3&id...
The above link shows an application that provides the following support for applications to use PMS: "Plus, any application that accesses the Windows System Color Picker or Mac OS X color picker."
So, what I'm thinking is that users who want to use PMS download and install this $50 program, and somehow Inkscape is capable of using the functionality it provides to select PMS colors.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable...except its only for windows/mac...
...or...
There's a link there to inquire about PMS integration with applications that don't currently support it. Maybe Pantone could be convinced to create and sell some sort of file that would be compatible with a standard open source color management / library system that could be shared across open source applications. Download/buy once, use in Scribus, GIMP, Inkscape, Open Office, etc.
That is an interesting idea. I wish I had more time to do tasks like this. Maybe you or another interested party could ask and find out? I have found these projects not very willing to talk with ppl. without money in hand ;(
Unfortunately, unless someone wants to come up with new ink formulations, license those formulations under GPL (or patent equivalent), convince some manufacturer to produce the inks and then convince some printing companies to buy the inks and use them, there is no alternative to somehow supporting PMS.
Right, I think the best way to do things is to develop our color standards and then provide an easy way to let users set color. And tell them how they can pick PMS colors and plug them into our apps, but not actually do it.
Jon
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