El Domingo, 20 de Agosto de 2006 11:44, Tobias Jakobs escribió:

Am Sonntag, den 20.08.2006, 00:09 -0700 schrieb Jon Phillips:

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Heya dudes and dudettes,

It has been bothering me that there aren't icons for some menu items. I went ahead and took a stab at finishing the rest of the icons in the main menus. Please critique my new ones with your own changes...I just wanted to get the ball rolling...

Apropos icons, I know the icon-theme is just one release old. But what do you thinking about switching to an icon theme, that follows the Tango style guidelines? The nice thing about the Tango style is, that it fits very nice in Gnome, KDE, Windows XP and Mac OS X. Furthermore the next version of Gimp and Scribus will have tangofied icons too.

+1 Count with me for the task. This is something discussed several times before and I always bet for a unified set of icons (plus menus and common dialogs, but that's another story ;) )

Some links:

Tango Desktop Project: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project

Tango ArtLibreSet: http://tango.freedesktop.org/ArtLibreSet

Tango Gimp: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/2006/Jun/20

Tango Scribus: http://scribus.sourceforge.net/gallery/tango/index.html

Tango OpenOffice.org 2.0: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-OOo

Regards, Tobias

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Jon Phillips wrote:

Heya dudes and dudettes,

It has been bothering me that there aren't icons for some menu items. I went ahead and took a stab at finishing the rest of the icons in the main menus. Please critique my new ones with your own changes...I just wanted to get the ball rolling...

Hm, even more icons into those menus, having a icon for every item in a menu makes them quite cluttered and it is sometimes harder to spot the right item. Some time ago I asked the clever dude Matthew Paul Thomas for advice on icons in menus, and he gave me the following answer: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/mpt-iconsinmenus.txt I'm not saying this is the way to go, but mpt is quite a smart guy and it's worth a thought.

I added: Document Metadata, Input Devices, Select All in All Layers, Invert Selection, Deselect, Messages, Scripts, Icon Preview, Layers..., the rest of the text icons (not the best ones), About Memory...

I hope you all like...Also, to all you artists and developers, adding icons is easy!

1.) open up icons.svg from the main inkscape trunk in PATH_TO_INKSCAPE/share/icons/icons.svg

2.) group your icon together and give it a good name in the object properties dialog

3.) add or edit the proper name in the PATH_TO_INKSCAPE/src/verbs.cpp

4.) make && su -c 'make install'

Check and repeat 1-4 until you are happy!

Some time ago Jon Cruz mentioned following the tango-art-libre naming scheme [1] and and I'm not sure if that also would involve making the theming system more similar to the system used by kde, gnome and xfce, ie. using individual files in a directory structure and in different sizes for menus and toolbars. Any update on this?

1. http://tango.freedesktop.org/ArtLibreSet

- Andreas

Andreas Nilsson wrote:

Some time ago Jon Cruz mentioned following the tango-art-libre naming scheme [1] and and I'm not sure if that also would involve making the theming system more similar to the system used by kde, gnome and xfce, ie. using individual files in a directory structure and in different sizes for menus and toolbars.

One of the reasons we have been using a single svg file is the advocacy of svg itself. Using multiple icons at different sizes is somewhat retro, and against the concept of resolution-free artwork. Maybe if Tango provided bitmaps from little files to people who needed them, yet is also able to reference the vector master when needed, too...... Oh, and use URI's to get them. Then the app developer can ignore the mechanism it takes to get the image.

(feature request? :-)

The SGI desktop of 11 years ago had the wonderful property that -everything- was scalable. Maybe Tango can give apps the ability to catch up with that now.

Also, a bit of CSS could be used to theme the entire icon set.

bob

graffoo wrote:

Hi guys, I have "tangofied" main icons in icons.svg but I have following problem. How do I change icons for File>Open, File>Save, File>Print, Undo, Redo, Clipboard manipulation? I didn't found them in the icons.svg and on winxp these icons are default ugly gnome icons :( Any suggestions? Also how do I change cursor images?

You can't modify those icons and this is a good thing. They are taken from the GTK theme and the idea is to have them consistent across the entire desktop (bonus if you have a full GTK/GNOME desktop). Inkscape should use the Wimp GTK theme on Windows and those icons should fit the Windows look and feel as much as possible. You may want to contribute some better icons to Wimp: http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/ http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/screenshots/gfx/inkscape-winxp.png

graffoo wrote:

I thought that. But the problem is as I stated, the icons are not default windows on a windows machine. they are default gnome, which is on a win desktop a bit confusing. just look at the attached file. I think a perfect thing would be that if an icon is specified in icons.svg file, inkscape will use that icon, and if it isn't specified then use the default wimp theme icon. what about that? The other thing is, many

I don't think is good: it would break theming on Linux or would require 2 versions of icons.svg: one for Linux and another for Windows. Or how about 4 versions? For GNOME, KDE, Windows and OSX. IMO, the best thing is to make the icons in Wimp really fit the Windows desktop, this way not only Inkscape get better on Windows, but other applications using Wimp like Gimp or Gaim.

apps in windows have their custom icons, even the default ones. And when Inkscape will use the tango theme, why not use the tango icons also for the default ones. I think its less confusing when one app has one icon theme than other rather than one app has two icon themes ;) and to solve the problem with unification across platforms, simply ship the win version of inkscape with the modified icons.svg.

If I use Bluecurve or Echo as my theme of choice, why I would want Tango icons for file and clipboard operations?

On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 09:55 +0200, graffoo wrote:

I thought that. But the problem is as I stated, the icons are not default windows on a windows machine. they are default gnome, which is on a win desktop a bit confusing.

Isn't the best solution for Gtk-Wimp to be updated to use the Windows default icons?

-mental

graffoo wrote:

Nicu Buculei (OCAL) wrote:

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graffoo wrote:

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Hi guys, I have "tangofied" main icons in icons.svg but I have following problem. How do I change icons for File>Open, File>Save, File>Print, Undo, Redo, Clipboard manipulation? I didn't found them in the icons.svg and on winxp these icons are default ugly gnome icons :( Any suggestions? Also how do I change cursor images?

You can't modify those icons and this is a good thing. They are taken from the GTK theme and the idea is to have them consistent across the entire desktop (bonus if you have a full GTK/GNOME desktop). Inkscape should use the Wimp GTK theme on Windows and those icons should fit the Windows look and feel as much as possible. You may want to contribute some better icons to Wimp: http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/ http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/screenshots/gfx/inkscape-winxp.png

I thought that. But the problem is as I stated, the icons are not default windows on a windows machine. they are default gnome, which is on a win desktop a bit confusing. just look at the attached file. I think a perfect thing would be that if an icon is specified in icons.svg file, inkscape will use that icon, and if it isn't specified then use the default wimp theme icon. what about that? The other thing is, many apps in windows have their custom icons, even the default ones. And when Inkscape will use the tango theme, why not use the tango icons also for the default ones. I think its less confusing when one app has one icon theme than other rather than one app has two icon themes ;) and to solve the problem with unification across platforms, simply ship the win version of inkscape with the modified icons.svg.

Just wanted to note that the the Tango style guidelines are made with cross-platform in mind. While the old gnome-icon-theme looked awfully out of place on other systems, any icon drawn using the tango guidelines will blend in a little better with osx and windows-sets (compare side to side with Apple Pages for example [1], or Internet Explorer [2]). Yes, totally blending in 100% would require specific sets for OSX and Windows, but until we have that I think a set drawn according to the tango style guidelines will work well enough in most cases.

However, I do not belive that icons.svg should include stuff like actions for basic file operations like new, open etc. as it is important for users to recognize those icons from where they are used in the rest of the system. Having folders looking different in Nautilus and Inkscape just because someone happen to use Crux is not a good thing.

Btw, we have updated gnome-icon-theme recently to follow the tango guidelines and those are probably going to ship with gtk-wimp as well. It would be cool if gtk-wimp could fetch those from the system though (if that is legally possible).

1. http://obviousdiversion.com/images/hpda1.png 2. http://www.mstechtoday.com/screenshots/vista/5342/maximized.PNG

- Andreas