I've made some changes to the icons in the copy of Inkscape I have running on my own machine. If other people agree that this is an improvement, I'll do some more work in the same style. Here is a screenshot: http://www.lightandmatter.com/proposal.png The rotation and flip tools are my new versions, and next to them you can see the lower and raise icons in the original style, with the greenish-yellow color. My idea here was to tone down the colors a little, and also use transparency to create more of a visual impression of the object rotating. It's meant to look like the new Gimp 2.0 icons, which IMO are very professional looking.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Ben Crowell wrote:
I've made some changes to the icons in the copy of Inkscape I have running on my own machine. If other people agree that this is an improvement, I'll do some more work in the same style. Here is a screenshot: http://www.lightandmatter.com/proposal.png
I like them, they seem to fit into the GUI style better than the flourescent yellow ones currently. The partial transparency is a nice touch too. :-)
Bryce
The rotation and flip tools are my new versions, and next to them you can see the lower and raise icons in the original style, with the greenish-yellow color. My idea here was to tone down the colors a little, and also use transparency to create more of a visual impression of the object rotating. It's meant to look like the new Gimp 2.0 icons, which IMO are very professional looking.
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> wrote:
I like them, they seem to fit into the GUI style better than the flourescent yellow ones currently. The partial transparency is a nice touch too. :-)
Transparency rarely works satisfactorily in icons, because icons are so small and there's simply not enough material for the eye to recognize the effect. In this particular example, what I see is just two triangles of very close shades of gray, with a rather noisy overlap area. It really takes mental effort to realize that this is supposed to be transparency.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bulia byak wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> wrote:
I like them, they seem to fit into the GUI style better than the flourescent yellow ones currently. The partial transparency is a nice touch too. :-)
Transparency rarely works satisfactorily in icons, because icons are so small and there's simply not enough material for the eye to recognize the effect. In this particular example, what I see is just two triangles of very close shades of gray, with a rather noisy overlap area. It really takes mental effort to realize that this is supposed to be transparency.
That may be so, but I still think they look nicer than the current set.
Obviously, the best solution here would be to have a 'high contrast' theme with the flourescent yellow ones, and other themes for those that have different desires regarding contrast, style, appearance, etc.
Bryce
Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bulia byak wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> wrote:
I like them, they seem to fit into the GUI style better than the flourescent yellow ones currently. The partial transparency is a nice touch too. :-)
Transparency rarely works satisfactorily in icons, because icons are so small and there's simply not enough material for the eye to recognize the effect. In this particular example, what I see is just two triangles of very close shades of gray, with a rather noisy overlap area. It really takes mental effort to realize that this is supposed to be transparency.
That may be so, but I still think they look nicer than the current set.
Obviously, the best solution here would be to have a 'high contrast' theme with the flourescent yellow ones, and other themes for those that have different desires regarding contrast, style, appearance, etc.
Well... I think I have to side with Bulia on this one.
Yes, the new ones are pretty, but they're pretty to my non-color blind eyes. Look at that in light of about 1 in 10 males being color blind and... d'oh
Also... the ones that actually cross over do convey transparency once it's pointed out, but the others don't. There's some subtle tweaking needed to get things happy-happy. However, I think the main direction is good, and only the subtlties need a little tweaking.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:21:58 -0800, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
Yes, the new ones are pretty, but they're pretty to my non-color blind eyes. Look at that in light of about 1 in 10 males being color blind and... d'oh
Which is why I suggest staying with GNOME HIG color palette
Alexandre
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:21:58 -0800, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
Yes, the new ones are pretty, but they're pretty to my non-color blind eyes. Look at that in light of about 1 in 10 males being color blind and... d'oh
Which is why I suggest staying with GNOME HIG color palette
Actually... that has a lot less to do with the current issues.
It's not so much a matter of colors, but rather of drawing in such a way that shape and value convey the most information and the color is just incidental.
Even with the Gnome HIG palette, one can easily get colors that hit our current situation, such as 'Blue Highlight' and 'Green Highlight'. Remember, their palette is intentionally subdued, and that it is intended that artists lighten or darken colors from it as needed. (Also, the colors in question here are almost Gnome's "Basic 3D Medium" and "Blue Medium").
Actually, varying the icons should be easier in the future when we have better support for CSS styles. Keep one icon file, and a set of stylesheets to tweak it. This would allow icon families, much the same as font families.
Bob
Jon A. Cruz wrote:
Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, bulia byak wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:56 -0800 (PST), Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> wrote:
I like them, they seem to fit into the GUI style better than the flourescent yellow ones currently. The partial transparency is a nice touch too. :-)
Transparency rarely works satisfactorily in icons, because icons are so small and there's simply not enough material for the eye to recognize the effect. In this particular example, what I see is just two triangles of very close shades of gray, with a rather noisy overlap area. It really takes mental effort to realize that this is supposed to be transparency.
That may be so, but I still think they look nicer than the current set.
Obviously, the best solution here would be to have a 'high contrast' theme with the flourescent yellow ones, and other themes for those that have different desires regarding contrast, style, appearance, etc.
Well... I think I have to side with Bulia on this one.
Yes, the new ones are pretty, but they're pretty to my non-color blind eyes. Look at that in light of about 1 in 10 males being color blind and... d'oh
Also... the ones that actually cross over do convey transparency once it's pointed out, but the others don't. There's some subtle tweaking needed to get things happy-happy. However, I think the main direction is good, and only the subtlties need a little tweaking.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Bob Jamison wrote:
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:33:00 -0600 From: Bob Jamison <rwjj@...127...> To: Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...>, inkscape inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] proposed change to icons
Actually, varying the icons should be easier in the future when we have better support for CSS styles. Keep one icon file, and a set of stylesheets to tweak it. This would allow icon families, much the same as font families.
I really hope that the developers will not reinvent theming and that the move to gtkmm and the greater use of standard widgets will make it easier to support the existing standards for icons and themes as GTK already includes support for SVG themes.
Perhaps one of the developers could inform us if that is likely to be a beneficial side effort of the gtkmm work of it will require substantial additional work?
- Alan H.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:05:30 +0000, Ben Crowell <inkscapecrowell04@...603...> wrote:
My idea here was to tone down the colors a little, and also use transparency to create more of a visual impression of the object rotating.
To be honest I prefer the current versions because the bluish gray looks watered down and lacks contrast. It requires more of an effort to tell these icons apart and to figure out which triangle is "before" and which is "after". The current ones are intentionally crisp and bright so as to be instantly recognizable; they may look too bright for someone, so perhaps it might make sense to tone them down a bit, but I think your proposal goes too far in that direction.
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