Ted,
excellent work on emphasized grid lines! The only suggestion is that I think they should be made more darker still, for better contrast. Darkening by 25 instead of 10 looks much better on my screen.
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 02:35, bulia byak wrote:
excellent work on emphasized grid lines! The only suggestion is that I think they should be made more darker still, for better contrast. Darkening by 25 instead of 10 looks much better on my screen.
Thanks. It was something that was bugging me. What do other people think on the color? I'm guessing this is going to be something which is kinda screen dependent. 17 works on my screen, but not Bulia's, what works for other people? I use an Apple screen, which are known for being bright though (I have a buddy that says: "If you want a dark website, get it designed by a guy with a Mac" :)
I'm okay with changing it to whatever works for the most people, I think this is probably going to have to be found empirically though.
--Ted
PS - I guess someone people probably don't read the CVS mailing list... I added in the feature to have some, regularly spaced, lines on the grid be a different color for emphasis. The question here is what should that different color be? If you're building CVS you should be able to turn on the grid (you might have to zoom in a little bit also) and adjust the value in the document settings under 'grid'.
Ted Gould wrote:
Thanks. It was something that was bugging me. What do other people think on the color? I'm guessing this is going to be something which is kinda screen dependent. 17 works on my screen, but not Bulia's, what works for other people? I use an Apple screen, which are known for being bright though (I have a buddy that says: "If you want a dark website, get it designed by a guy with a Mac" :)
Gamma. One might want to take a peek at the results of xgamma
Remember, Mac's have been color-corrected for quite some time, while PC's have not.
So PC's are wrong.
:-)
(To justify this statement, consider that if one uses a Mac for video production and views things on a NTSC color callibrated monitor, then they will be proper for broadcast)
http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/gamma_mac_pc.html
Then this I've also found helpful:
http://www.povray.org/ftp/pub/povray/Official/gamma.gif.txt http://www.povray.org/ftp/pub/povray/Official/gamma.gif
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 09:21, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
Remember, Mac's have been color-corrected for quite some time, while PC's have not.
So PC's are wrong.
Yeah, I hate that problem - the problem is that most people end up designing for users who don't have color corrected screens - so it is actually better that theirs aren't, so they can see what the user does. Annoying at best.
So, anyway, I took a screenshot and took it to work to view on my PC - the lines are invisible at the current value. (which makes the feature pretty useless)
The only think I can think of here is making an Inkscape preference for default grid color and grid emphasis color... I don't like adding more options though :/
--Ted
So, anyway, I took a screenshot and took it to work to view on my PC - the lines are invisible at the current value. (which makes the feature pretty useless)
The only think I can think of here is making an Inkscape preference for default grid color and grid emphasis color... I don't like adding more options though :/
No, it's not worth a preference, given that it's easy to change anyawy. Just make the default that works for everyone, even if it's not ideal for each environment. Using 3f3fff60 for highlighted lines works for me and will likely work for everywhere else.
Also please change the labels - "grid emphasis" is rather confusing. What about:
Regular line color: [..] Highlighted line color: [..] Highlight every: [..] line
On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 01:30, bulia byak wrote:
No, it's not worth a preference, given that it's easy to change anyawy. Just make the default that works for everyone, even if it's not ideal for each environment. Using 3f3fff60 for highlighted lines works for me and will likely work for everywhere else.
Also please change the labels - "grid emphasis" is rather confusing. What about:
Regular line color: [..] Highlighted line color: [..] Highlight every: [..] line
Makes sense. I like highlight. Sounds good.
--Ted
--- Ted Gould <ted@...11...> wrote:
On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 01:30, bulia byak wrote:
No, it's not worth a preference, given that it's
easy to change
anyawy. Just make the default that works for
everyone, even if it's
not ideal for each environment. Using 3f3fff60 for
highlighted lines
works for me and will likely work for everywhere
else.
Also please change the labels - "grid emphasis" is
rather confusing. What about:
Regular line color: [..] Highlighted line color: [..] Highlight every: [..] line
Makes sense. I like highlight. Sounds good.
--Ted
More standard terms would be major and minor gridlines. Highlight implys an act of selection.
__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Ted Gould wrote:
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:05:51 -0700 From: Ted Gould <ted@...11...> To: inkscape inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] grid lines
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 02:35, bulia byak wrote:
excellent work on emphasized grid lines! The only suggestion is that I think they should be made more darker still, for better contrast. Darkening by 25 instead of 10 looks much better on my screen.
Thanks. It was something that was bugging me. What do other people think on the color? I'm guessing this is going to be something which is kinda screen dependent. 17 works on my screen, but not Bulia's, what works for other people? I use an Apple screen, which are known for being bright though (I have a buddy that says: "If you want a dark website, get it designed by a guy with a Mac" :)
I'm okay with changing it to whatever works for the most people, I think this is probably going to have to be found empirically though.
--TedPS - I guess someone people probably don't read the CVS mailing list... I added in the feature to have some, regularly spaced, lines on the grid be a different color for emphasis. The question here is what should that different color be? If you're building CVS you should be able to turn on the grid (you might have to zoom in a little bit also) and adjust the value in the document settings under 'grid'.
The Graph paper I was familiar with tended to be turquoise (aka cyan) with a shade of red every ten (light red, but not pink). Alternatively if you could increase the line weight a little for every Nth line a colour change might not be necessary (see cheap graph paper ;). That's my colour suggestions, but I'm wouldn't go so far as to say there is any practical benefits to using that colour combination.
While you are modifying the grid functionality it might be worth exploring if you like having the grid underneath as an overlay, or if there is a reason to allow both ways. In some applications I find the overly Grid intrusive but in others and underlying grid it is too easily hidden which can make it less useful (if i recally correctly Visio cheats by making its object semi-transparent while dragging).
- Alan
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 09:37, Alan Horkan wrote:
While you are modifying the grid functionality it might be worth exploring if you like having the grid underneath as an overlay, or if there is a reason to allow both ways. In some applications I find the overly Grid intrusive but in others and underlying grid it is too easily hidden which can make it less useful (if i recally correctly Visio cheats by making its object semi-transparent while dragging).
You know, what would probably be really cool is that when we have a layers dialog to put the grid on there. That would also give a very intuitive way for users to turn on and off the visibility of the grid. I'll look and see if I can get it to render at the bottom instead of an overlay.
--Ted
You know, what would probably be really cool is that when we have a layers dialog to put the grid on there. That would also give a very intuitive way for users to turn on and off the visibility of the grid. I'll look and see if I can get it to render at the bottom instead of an overlay.
That should be easy, just add sp_canvas_item_move_to_z (grid, 0); for the grid canvasitem.
participants (6)
-
Alan Horkan -
bulia byak -
John Cliff -
Jon A. Cruz -
MenTaLguY -
Ted Gould