Just thought I'd throw the link on the list so you can all see what they're up to... http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/newfeatures.html
Boy does that "Control Palette" look awfully familiar. ; ) (yeah, I know Xara had it first, but still... goes to show how they're playing catch-up in some areas)
The Live Painting and Enhanced Stroke options look interesting... I question how much better their new "live tracing" is, compared to their old tracing engine (as it is supposedly much better). The rest of the "new features" don't look too interesting to me (other than the custom workspaces, which might be handy... but it's something only a fringe crowd would benefit from). Just figured I'd see what others opinions were.
-Josh
On Apr 5, 2005 4:12 PM, Joshua A. Andler <joshua@...533...> wrote:
Boy does that "Control Palette" look awfully familiar. ; ) (yeah, I know Xara had it first,
...as did we...
The Live Painting
I had this idea long ago. I just pushed it to the back of the stack because there are more important and/or useful things to do first.
and Enhanced Stroke
This we can't do until SVG supports it. So far no sign of it in SVG 1.2. Anyway, I don't perceive this as something really indispensable. Just a minor convenience.
how much better their new "live tracing" is
I'm more interested to find out what is "live" about it. Does it update when someone edits a linked bitmap? What if I already edited the trace and don't want to lose the edits?
Overall, for 1+ year of development the list is not too impressive. We achieved much more in the same time span :)
and Enhanced Stroke
This we can't do until SVG supports it. So far no sign of it in SVG 1.2. Anyway, I don't perceive this as something really indispensable. Just a minor convenience.
Even though it's just "convenience" it seems to me that this is an important feature that should be implemented into svg. As soon as you add transparency to your paths this is quite important -- That is why I've asked about this before... maybe even filed an RFE, dunno.
However Adobe Illustrator seems a little restrictive about it... I'd do this with percentages of stroke width or absolute values... A stroke at 50% offset would be a path just outside around the shape. 0% would be the current default, with half the path on top of the shape and the other half outside the shape. -50% would set the stroke being right inside of the shape. Values of more than (-) 50% will result in a gap between the stroke and the shape.
how much better their new "live tracing" is
I'm more interested to find out what is "live" about it. Does it update when someone edits a linked bitmap? What if I already edited the trace and don't want to lose the edits?
Too me it seems everything just goes "live" in Adobe right now :)
Overall, for 1+ year of development the list is not too impressive. We achieved much more in the same time span :)
Hey: The duotone-feature is worth mentioning! It is really usefull! I know it from InDesign already (they got it in CS) and was shocked not to see it in Illustrator CS. Still you're right, they aren't quite impressing me with their improvements.
David
On Apr 5, 2005 5:02 PM, David Christian Berg <david@...407...> wrote:
and Enhanced Stroke
However Adobe Illustrator seems a little restrictive about it... I'd do this with percentages of stroke width or absolute values... A stroke at 50% offset would be a path just outside around the shape. 0% would be the current default, with half the path on top of the shape and the other half outside the shape. -50% would set the stroke being right inside of the shape. Values of more than (-) 50% will result in a gap between the stroke and the shape.
What prevents you from using linked offset, designed specifically for this? (Which AI does not have, btw, to my knowledge.)
I'm more interested to find out what is "live" about it. Does it update when someone edits a linked bitmap? What if I already edited the trace and don't want to lose the edits?
Too me it seems everything just goes "live" in Adobe right now :)
Yeah, sure, that's why we must have those "live shapes" I guess :)
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 17:17 -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005 5:02 PM, David Christian Berg <david@...407...> wrote:
and Enhanced Stroke
However Adobe Illustrator seems a little restrictive about it... I'd do this with percentages of stroke width or absolute values... A stroke at 50% offset would be a path just outside around the shape. 0% would be the current default, with half the path on top of the shape and the other half outside the shape. -50% would set the stroke being right inside of the shape. Values of more than (-) 50% will result in a gap between the stroke and the shape.
What prevents you from using linked offset, designed specifically for this? (Which AI does not have, btw, to my knowledge.)
Hmm, ehm, nothing really. Nothing at all, I just wasn't all aware about this anymore. Thanks for pointing this out to me again! The only drawback is that you can only adjust it manually. What we'd need is an extra toolbar when an offset is selected, where you can specify the offset distance. Furthermore playing around with it it creates some weirdness (parts of strokes, where they don't seem to belong). Is this a know issue?
David
David. Like this?
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1169675&group_id=934... tid=604309
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-----Original Message----- From: inkscape-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of David Christian Berg Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:13 PM To: bulia byak Cc: Joshua A. Andler; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] New features in Illustrator
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 17:17 -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005 5:02 PM, David Christian Berg <david@...407...>
wrote:
and Enhanced Stroke
However Adobe Illustrator seems a little restrictive about it... I'd
do
this with percentages of stroke width or absolute values... A stroke at 50% offset would be a path just outside around the
shape. 0%
would be the current default, with half the path on top of the shape
and
the other half outside the shape. -50% would set the stroke being
right
inside of the shape. Values of more than (-) 50% will result in a
gap
between the stroke and the shape.
What prevents you from using linked offset, designed specifically for this? (Which AI does not have, btw, to my knowledge.)
Hmm, ehm, nothing really. Nothing at all, I just wasn't all aware about this anymore. Thanks for pointing this out to me again! The only drawback is that you can only adjust it manually. What we'd need is an extra toolbar when an offset is selected, where you can specify the offset distance. Furthermore playing around with it it creates some weirdness (parts of strokes, where they don't seem to belong). Is this a know issue?
David
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On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 14:31 -0700, Jon Campbell wrote:
David. Like this?
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1169675&group_id=934... tid=604309
Not quite, but here's, what I've just added to that bug:
Better idea: We need a toolbar for inset/outset... in this toolbar you can specify the actual inset/outset in mm, pt, or what ever as well as percent of strokewidth and furthermore you can check a checkbox to only use distinct steps, when manually changing the inset/outset... with this, we can get rid of the menu items inset and outset and only have the dynamic offset as well as the linked offset. <<
David
On Apr 5, 2005 6:12 PM, David Christian Berg <david@...407...> wrote:
Hmm, ehm, nothing really. Nothing at all, I just wasn't all aware about this anymore. Thanks for pointing this out to me again! The only drawback is that you can only adjust it manually. What we'd need is an extra toolbar when an offset is selected, where you can specify the offset distance.
Yes, which means we want to add an offset tool. It's actually a good idea, it may have more conveniences than just setting offset distance.
Furthermore playing around with it it creates some weirdness (parts of strokes, where they don't seem to belong). Is this a know issue?
It's known that it does not work very well for small objects. There's a bug on that. In general, offsetting a path is not a trivial operation, so although the algorithm can be improved, it cannot guarantee perfect results in all cases.
Quoting David Christian Berg <david@...407...>:
Just did a quick screenshot
That's the result of bugs/numeric issues in livarot.
-mental
On Apr 5, 2005 6:54 PM, mental@...3... <mental@...3...> wrote:
Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>:
What prevents you from using linked offset, designed specifically for this?
Line joins/caps.
Can you elaborate? What kinds of problems a linked offset has with joins/caps that the AI stroke placement (supposedly) would not have?
David Christian Berg wrote:
Even though it's just "convenience" it seems to me that this is an important feature that should be implemented into svg. As soon as you add transparency to your paths this is quite important -- That is why I've asked about this before... maybe even filed an RFE, dunno.
Well, such an RFE would go to the W3C SVG Working Group, of course. I doubt if they would listen to -us-. ;-)
Bob
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