Re: [Inkscape-user] Gradient Editor design and Macromedia Freehand
Jonathan Leighton wrote:
Hi Jon,
I posted to the list saying I could do this also, but it doesn't seem to have showed up yet (it's annoying how slow they are!). Anyway, I'm not bothered either way, but I wanted to make sure we don't both do the same thing and waste our time! Let me know whether you're going to do this, or would like me to. As I say, it doesn't matter which.
Why don't you go ahead and do -- it is a simple, but helpful task. You can see an example of what I did previously here: http://rejon.org/projects/inkscape/reference/
I took screenshots of gimp and adobe illustrator for ref.
Jon
Jon Phillips wrote:
Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Jozsef Mak wrote:
Among all the programs I�ve ever used, Freehand has the best implementation of gradients and color management; plus the finest interface.
From the gradient options you can chose Linear, Radial, Logarithmic, Contour and Cone. You can further modify each of these by applying Normal, Repeat, Reflect and Auto size modifiers to the gradient styles. In addition, the gradients allow you to interactively modify the style within the object using small handles. With this you can create a great variety of patterns including abstract ones and also 3D effects. (Freehand also has a sophisticated 3D tool, as well, which is similar to Corel�s but more advanced).
From the above it sounds like Freehand should be analyzed for ideas on redesigning the Gradient Editor.
Does anyone happen to have a copy of this, that they could make some screenshots or elaborate on Jozsef's comments above?
I have a copy of MX. I will take some screenshots and post them on my site like I did for illustrator. I'm taking requests....
Jon
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:19:37 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> To: Jonathan Leighton <turnip@...583...>, Inkscape ML inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [Inkscape-user] Gradient Editor design and Macromedia Freehand
Jonathan Leighton wrote:
Hi Jon,
I posted to the list saying I could do this also, but it doesn't seem to have showed up yet (it's annoying how slow they are!). Anyway, I'm not bothered either way, but I wanted to make sure we don't both do the same thing and waste our time! Let me know whether you're going to do this, or would like me to. As I say, it doesn't matter which.
Why don't you go ahead and do -- it is a simple, but helpful task. You can see an example of what I did previously here: http://rejon.org/projects/inkscape/reference/
I took screenshots of gimp and adobe illustrator for ref.
I took a bunch of Screenshots of the gradient tools in Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Jasc Webdraw http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
I also took some screenshots of the Adobe Photoshop gradients http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
And a screenshoto of just the tool options bar for gradients http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
If we want a solution that will scale beyond a few dozen gradients I'm convince the task of creating or editing new gradients should be seperated out from the task of selecting and applying a gradient. Part of the reasion I created a set of gradients for OpenClipart.org was to have a sample set that made it clear to anyone redesigining the dialog that it would need to accomodate a whole lot of gradients.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Dia is for Diagrams http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:52:27 +0000 (GMT), Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> wrote:
I also took some screenshots of the Adobe Photoshop gradients
Thanks for those Alan, is there any chance of getting some where a multistop gradient is actually selected and being edited? Would like to see how thier widget displays the info.
Cheers
John
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:15:04 +0000, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:52:27 +0000 (GMT), Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> wrote:
I also took some screenshots of the Adobe Photoshop gradients
Thanks for those Alan, is there any chance of getting some where a multistop gradient is actually selected and being edited? Would like to see how thier widget displays the info.
What do you think about reusing part of Scribus's multistop gradient UI?
Alexandre
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:15:04 +0000, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:52:27 +0000 (GMT), Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> wrote:
I also took some screenshots of the Adobe Photoshop gradients
Thanks for those Alan, is there any chance of getting some where a multistop gradient is actually selected and being edited? Would like to see how thier widget displays the info.
What do you think about reusing part of Scribus's multistop gradient UI?
Interesting idea... Possibly we could reuse some of the design elements, however the UI itself will be in Qt so I don't think we would be able to reuse the code itself.
Bryce
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
I took a bunch of Screenshots of the gradient tools in Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Jasc Webdraw http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
Great, thanks! Added them here:
http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ObjectManager
Bryce
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: Inkscape ML inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [Inkscape-user] Gradient Editor design and Macromedia Freehand
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
I took a bunch of Screenshots of the gradient tools in Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Jasc Webdraw http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
Great, thanks! Added them here:
I should point out that I think the Photoshop gradients dialog sucks rocks in various ways and tries to do too much in a single dialog. The circle with an arrow in it is extremely ugly, an evil non standard widget to cover the fact that they never should have required a context menu in the first place (and despite it being incredibly lame I suspect it might even be one of the unique concepts they have fought with Macromedia about).
- Alan H
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Alan Horkan wrote:
Great, thanks! Added them here:
I should point out that I think the Photoshop gradients dialog sucks rocks in various ways and tries to do too much in a single dialog. The circle with an arrow in it is extremely ugly, an evil non standard widget to cover the fact that they never should have required a context menu in the first place (and despite it being incredibly lame I suspect it might even be one of the unique concepts they have fought with Macromedia about).
Can you add your comments to that wiki page, so we can keep track of all the ideas?
I certainly don't think we'll be copying any one particular implementation of a gradient editor verbatim, but figure the more info we have, the more educated a decision we'll be able to make regarding the design.
Bryce
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:35:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: Inkscape ML inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [Inkscape-user] Gradient Editor design and Macromedia Freehand
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Alan Horkan wrote:
Great, thanks! Added them here:
I should point out that I think the Photoshop gradients dialog sucks rocks in various ways and tries to do too much in a single dialog. The circle with an arrow in it is extremely ugly, an evil non standard widget to cover the fact that they never should have required a context menu in the first place (and despite it being incredibly lame I suspect it might even be one of the unique concepts they have fought with Macromedia about).
Can you add your comments to that wiki page, so we can keep track of all the ideas?
I'll add other comments later (but not the ones I just made), and I'll add the screenshots from Jasc Webdraw that are specifically related to gradients.
I'll also try and remember to add links to the 'other apps' section in wiki.
- Alan
Alan Horkan wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:19:37 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> To: Jonathan Leighton <turnip@...583...>, Inkscape ML inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [Inkscape-user] Gradient Editor design and Macromedia Freehand
Jonathan Leighton wrote:
Hi Jon,
I posted to the list saying I could do this also, but it doesn't seem to have showed up yet (it's annoying how slow they are!). Anyway, I'm not bothered either way, but I wanted to make sure we don't both do the same thing and waste our time! Let me know whether you're going to do this, or would like me to. As I say, it doesn't matter which.
Why don't you go ahead and do -- it is a simple, but helpful task. You can see an example of what I did previously here: http://rejon.org/projects/inkscape/reference/
I took screenshots of gimp and adobe illustrator for ref.
I took a bunch of Screenshots of the gradient tools in Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Jasc Webdraw http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
I also took some screenshots of the Adobe Photoshop gradients http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc... http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
And a screenshoto of just the tool options bar for gradients http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/inkscape/screenshots/referenc...
Alan, can you post those links onto the wiki page about other apps...they are useful for future reference. Thx,
Jon
If we want a solution that will scale beyond a few dozen gradients I'm convince the task of creating or editing new gradients should be seperated out from the task of selecting and applying a gradient. Part of the reasion I created a set of gradients for OpenClipart.org was to have a sample set that made it clear to anyone redesigining the dialog that it would need to accomodate a whole lot of gradients.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Dia is for Diagrams http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com
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Ok, I've put up some stuff here: http://turnipspatch.com/misc/inkscape/gradients.html
I hope that's ok. If anyone wants more/different screen shots do let me know.
Jon
Jon Phillips wrote:
Jonathan Leighton wrote:
Hi Jon,
I posted to the list saying I could do this also, but it doesn't seem to have showed up yet (it's annoying how slow they are!). Anyway, I'm not bothered either way, but I wanted to make sure we don't both do the same thing and waste our time! Let me know whether you're going to do this, or would like me to. As I say, it doesn't matter which.
Why don't you go ahead and do -- it is a simple, but helpful task. You can see an example of what I did previously here: http://rejon.org/projects/inkscape/reference/
I took screenshots of gimp and adobe illustrator for ref.
Jon
Jon Phillips wrote:
Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Jozsef Mak wrote:
Among all the programs I�ve ever used, Freehand has the best implementation of gradients and color management; plus the finest interface.
From the gradient options you can chose Linear, Radial, Logarithmic, Contour and Cone. You can further modify each of these by applying Normal, Repeat, Reflect and Auto size modifiers to the gradient styles. In addition, the gradients allow you to interactively modify the style within the object using small handles. With this you can create a great variety of patterns including abstract ones and also 3D effects. (Freehand also has a sophisticated 3D tool, as well, which is similar to Corel�s but more advanced).
From the above it sounds like Freehand should be analyzed for ideas on redesigning the Gradient Editor.
Does anyone happen to have a copy of this, that they could make some screenshots or elaborate on Jozsef's comments above?
I have a copy of MX. I will take some screenshots and post them on my site like I did for illustrator. I'm taking requests....
Jon
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