Re: [Inkscape-devel] New video of rotate workspace
Hi Vlada!
I reply to the list to get more opinions. Reply you inline:
On Thu, 2016-10-27 at 14:35 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote:
Hi Jabier,
Tested! I am speechless! It works better then I anticipated! Great work!!!
There i one really serious drawback of selected method for entering rotation mode. I don't use spacebar for panning. So I can't even start rotating. Here is a little analyze.
Bugs:
- If I use CTRL while rotating, and release CTRL, I leave rotation
mode. It is unwanted behavior, I suppose.
Yes need to fix it
- If I Right mouse button (RMB) click at any object (with Spacebar
panning turned on) I am being presented with Contextual menu. That would be the same one that appears when RMB clicked at any object in regular editing mode. You can see that briefly in a video I'll mention later.
Need to fix, if finnaly could do, rotation mode start on click, not on mouse move
- The video I have attached shows a few problems I have experienced
during testing phase. Don't know from where it comes from, but I see some crazy tiles being wrongly redrawn. See the video for yourself.
Is strange, could you provide me the SVG?
Minor bug: 4) With transparency checkerboard pattern turned on (Document Properties...->Checkerboard background), the checkerboard rotates too. Nothing urgent.
To fix
Some of my ideas. Please, at least consider them.
Facts:
- Middle mouse button (MMB) is already used for panning.
- MMB + SHIFT brings you into "clumsy" zoom mode. I say clumsy
because you could only zoom in marking the area you want to see zoomed-in. This is relevant for what I've written later... 3) CTRL and ALT are unused.
Here is my proposition: For entering Rotate view, I propose ALT + MMB or ALT + Spacebar- panning
Not sure maybe I need more opinions
Make ALT default modifier for constraining to whole degrees (1-2-3-4-etc.) since it will already be pressed. If user releases ALT, then go to subdivision of degrees. No need for another shortcut only for that. With CTRL + ALT you could then go to reset rotation. Additionally, with SHIFT + CTRL + ALT you could reset to 0 degrees.
Also we need the 5 degree modifier
All covered. :)
Additional features you could cover and it is something that I felt would be great if implemented. You could also make quick zoom mode using SHIFT + MMB. Take a rendering of surface (as you already do for rotation screen drawing and if user moves (while holding both SHIFT + MMB down) mouse upwards or right - zoom-in and if he/she moves it downwards or left zoom out using the fastest to redraw method (nearest neighbor, would be enough). After that, redraw the whole screen, as you already do in rotate on-screen widget.
Is cool but: Zoom in loose resolution, Zoom out couldent render outside the original view.
BTW, I really like the music on top of which you demonstrate your achievements. Keep on rocking! :)
Rock On
Regards, Vlada
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfrun9s1gwubg09/Rotation_test.ogv?dl=0
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
You are welcome!
On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 14:33 +0000, Vladimir Savic wrote:
Thanks Jabier!
This is indeed much better. I'm now really prepared to test this. Will try your brach ASAP.
Thanks again. :-)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016, 16:14 Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...3394... .es> wrote:
Here are: https://youtu.be/wKY-6OwjELI
Cheers, Jabier.
On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 13:37 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote:
May I see how does that look like? Do you have a video?
Vlada
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
Forget me! Now the circle is fadding to result progresive like usual redraw, so you keep visual reference to the result.
Cheers, Jabier.
On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 10:05 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote: > Hi, Jabier. > > I somehow suspected it is like that, unfortunately. > Thanks > for > your > answer, though. > > Regards, > Vlada
Hi Again
- The video I have attached shows a few problems I have
experienced during testing phase. Don't know from where it comes from, but I see some crazy tiles being wrongly redrawn. See the video for yourself.
Is strange, could you provide me the SVG?
Seems only happends on 5 degree contrain.
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
What about to change enter to rotation mode shortcut to CTRL+RMB or CTRL+SPACEBAR?
Cheers, Jabier.
On Sun, 2016-10-30 at 22:29 +0100, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz wrote:
Hi Vlada!
I reply to the list to get more opinions. Reply you inline:
On Thu, 2016-10-27 at 14:35 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote:
Hi Jabier,
Tested! I am speechless! It works better then I anticipated! Great work!!!
There i one really serious drawback of selected method for entering rotation mode. I don't use spacebar for panning. So I can't even start rotating. Here is a little analyze.
Bugs:
- If I use CTRL while rotating, and release CTRL, I leave rotation
mode. It is unwanted behavior, I suppose.
Yes need to fix it
- If I Right mouse button (RMB) click at any object (with Spacebar
panning turned on) I am being presented with Contextual menu. That would be the same one that appears when RMB clicked at any object in regular editing mode. You can see that briefly in a video I'll mention later.
Need to fix, if finnaly could do, rotation mode start on click, not on mouse move
- The video I have attached shows a few problems I have
experienced during testing phase. Don't know from where it comes from, but I see some crazy tiles being wrongly redrawn. See the video for yourself.
Is strange, could you provide me the SVG?
Minor bug: 4) With transparency checkerboard pattern turned on (Document Properties...->Checkerboard background), the checkerboard rotates too. Nothing urgent.
To fix
Some of my ideas. Please, at least consider them.
Facts:
- Middle mouse button (MMB) is already used for panning.
- MMB + SHIFT brings you into "clumsy" zoom mode. I say clumsy
because you could only zoom in marking the area you want to see zoomed-in. This is relevant for what I've written later... 3) CTRL and ALT are unused.
Here is my proposition: For entering Rotate view, I propose ALT + MMB or ALT + Spacebar- panning
Not sure maybe I need more opinions
Make ALT default modifier for constraining to whole degrees (1-2-3-4-etc.) since it will already be pressed. If user releases ALT, then go to subdivision of degrees. No need for another shortcut only for that. With CTRL + ALT you could then go to reset rotation. Additionally, with SHIFT + CTRL + ALT you could reset to 0 degrees.
Also we need the 5 degree modifier
All covered. :)
Additional features you could cover and it is something that I felt would be great if implemented. You could also make quick zoom mode using SHIFT + MMB. Take a rendering of surface (as you already do for rotation screen drawing and if user moves (while holding both SHIFT
MMB down) mouse upwards or right - zoom-in and if he/she moves it downwards or left zoom out using the fastest to redraw method (nearest neighbor, would be enough). After that, redraw the whole screen, as you already do in rotate on-screen widget.
Is cool but: Zoom in loose resolution, Zoom out couldent render outside the original view.
BTW, I really like the music on top of which you demonstrate your achievements. Keep on rocking! :)
Rock On
Regards, Vlada
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfrun9s1gwubg09/Rotation_test.ogv?dl=0
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
You are welcome!
On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 14:33 +0000, Vladimir Savic wrote:
Thanks Jabier!
This is indeed much better. I'm now really prepared to test this. Will try your brach ASAP.
Thanks again. :-)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016, 16:14 Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...3301..... er .es> wrote:
Here are: https://youtu.be/wKY-6OwjELI
Cheers, Jabier.
On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 13:37 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote:
May I see how does that look like? Do you have a video?
Vlada
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote: > Forget me! > Now the circle is fadding to result progresive like usual > redraw, > so > you keep visual reference to the result. > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 10:05 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote: > > Hi, Jabier. > > > > I somehow suspected it is like that, unfortunately. > > Thanks > > for > > your > > answer, though. > > > > Regards, > > Vlada
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
What about to change enter to rotation mode shortcut to CTRL+RMB or CTRL+SPACEBAR?
I would avoid it. Anyone working seriously with Inkscape has to "release" ALT key shortcuts and dedicate that modifier to graphic applications, no matter if working in KDE, Gnome or whatnot. Krita, GIMP and Scribus need that key too.
Cheers, Vlada
Cheers, Jabier.
Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2016, 10:55:31 CET schrieb Vladimir Savic:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...>
wrote:
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
What about to change enter to rotation mode shortcut to CTRL+RMB or CTRL+SPACEBAR?
I would avoid it. Anyone working seriously with Inkscape has to "release" ALT key shortcuts and dedicate that modifier to graphic
Not true. I am working seriously with Inkscape and still have ALT be assigned to the window manager to move windows. Just saying, generalized statements like that are most often wrong or at least misleading.
applications, no matter if working in KDE, Gnome or whatnot. Krita, GIMP and Scribus need that key too.
Cheers, Vlada
Tobias
Cheers, Jabier.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus <houz@...173...> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2016, 10:55:31 CET schrieb Vladimir Savic:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...>
wrote:
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
What about to change enter to rotation mode shortcut to CTRL+RMB or CTRL+SPACEBAR?
I would avoid it. Anyone working seriously with Inkscape has to "release" ALT key shortcuts and dedicate that modifier to graphic
Not true. I am working seriously with Inkscape and still have ALT be assigned to the window manager to move windows. Just saying, generalized statements like that are most often wrong or at least misleading.
Well, I agree to some degree. Didn't want to induce literal interpretation of my words. We could discuss what seriously and professionally mean in the first place, but that is just terminology. I earn for living using Inkscape and yet I don't use its cutting/engraving capabilities, for example. Just wanted to illustrate that you are right to some extent.
But, if you keep ALT + LMB assigned to their defaults in Gnome 3, you will loose some quite useful functions either way (moving selected objects without picking them directly with cursor, drawing over objects to select them, node sculpting etc.). Without those I can't work so efficiently. ALT had to be reassigned to META in my case.
Vlada
applications, no matter if working in KDE, Gnome or whatnot. Krita, GIMP and Scribus need that key too.
Cheers, Vlada
Tobias
Cheers, Jabier.
I'm a gnome 3 user, and the FIRST thing I have to do is reassign the Alt key in the tweak tool to be Super. It's a key that a window manager should not touch. imho window managers should always use the Super key for all wm actions.
The only exceptions might be alt-tab and alt-shift-tab since those are cross-platform compatibility keys.
Until we (those interested in doing so) can convince gnome, kde, etc to use super as the default, it's going to be an issue. It's not just an Inkscape issue either.
-C
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Vladimir Savic <vladimir.firefly.savic@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus <houz@...173...> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2016, 10:55:31 CET schrieb Vladimir Savic:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...>
wrote:
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
What about to change enter to rotation mode shortcut to CTRL+RMB or CTRL+SPACEBAR?
I would avoid it. Anyone working seriously with Inkscape has to "release" ALT key shortcuts and dedicate that modifier to graphic
Not true. I am working seriously with Inkscape and still have ALT be assigned to the window manager to move windows. Just saying, generalized statements like that are most often wrong or at least misleading.
Well, I agree to some degree. Didn't want to induce literal interpretation of my words. We could discuss what seriously and professionally mean in the first place, but that is just terminology. I earn for living using Inkscape and yet I don't use its cutting/engraving capabilities, for example. Just wanted to illustrate that you are right to some extent.
But, if you keep ALT + LMB assigned to their defaults in Gnome 3, you will loose some quite useful functions either way (moving selected objects without picking them directly with cursor, drawing over objects to select them, node sculpting etc.). Without those I can't work so efficiently. ALT had to be reassigned to META in my case.
Vlada
applications, no matter if working in KDE, Gnome or whatnot. Krita, GIMP and Scribus need that key too.
Cheers, Vlada
Tobias
Cheers, Jabier.
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C R wrote
Until we (those interested in doing so) can convince gnome, kde, etc...
"etc" comprises Microsoft? :)
Luca
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Finaly my obgetive is:
Retain alt key to fire rotate mode (+space bar or middle button) and made it changed by shortcuts configuration if posibol
Thanks for the feedback, cheers Jabier.
Hi to all. Finaly I change the alt modifier to enter rotate mode to CONTROL. We have 2 ways to enter on rotation, one is based on mouse, so I couldent do nothing with shortcuts to it and want a global think.
With control I hope I dont get problems.
Cheers, Jabier.
On Thu, 2016-11-03 at 13:16 +0100, Vladimir Savic wrote:
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus <houz@...173...> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2016, 10:55:31 CET schrieb Vladimir Savic:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...3327...6... rker.es>
wrote:
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
What about to change enter to rotation mode shortcut to CTRL+RMB or CTRL+SPACEBAR?
I would avoid it. Anyone working seriously with Inkscape has to "release" ALT key shortcuts and dedicate that modifier to graphic
Not true. I am working seriously with Inkscape and still have ALT be assigned to the window manager to move windows. Just saying, generalized statements like that are most often wrong or at least misleading.
Well, I agree to some degree. Didn't want to induce literal interpretation of my words. We could discuss what seriously and professionally mean in the first place, but that is just terminology. I earn for living using Inkscape and yet I don't use its cutting/engraving capabilities, for example. Just wanted to illustrate that you are right to some extent.
But, if you keep ALT + LMB assigned to their defaults in Gnome 3, you will loose some quite useful functions either way (moving selected objects without picking them directly with cursor, drawing over objects to select them, node sculpting etc.). Without those I can't work so efficiently. ALT had to be reassigned to META in my case.
Vlada
applications, no matter if working in KDE, Gnome or whatnot. Krita, GIMP and Scribus need that key too.
Cheers, Vlada
Tobias
Cheers, Jabier.
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Jabier Arraiza wrote:
Hi, Im testing the alt+spacebar shortcut to rotate mode and give problems on Gnome 3 (is like window title right click)
Alt+Space is already usually taken by the system. At the very least, Mutter (GNOME's window manager) and Windows use it to open current window's menu (minimize, maximize, close etc.).
Alex
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