Sorry it's me ranting again. Do we HAVE to have those large buttons? I find them clumsy at this size. Up to now, there was:
- a meaningful hierarchy of sizes: main tool buttons large, tool control buttons small.
- a coordination of the sizes of the buttons and the rest of controls (spinbuttons, etc).
Both these are now broken. Why? What for? Can we return the small size at least as an option?
I'm aware of the "other apps do it this way" argument, and I'm generally sympathetic, but I don't think it has the priority over the "yuck, it's ugly" argument. That is, when what other apps do looks nice or at least decent, borrow. When our own solution is demonstrably better, stick with it.
P.S. The join/cap buttons with thick white midline replaced by thick black midline became even worse. So I went ahead and fixed them using a thin dotted midline.
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 07:44:31PM -0400, bulia byak wrote:
Sorry it's me ranting again. Do we HAVE to have those large buttons? I find them clumsy at this size. Up to now, there was:
Nope, don't need it, but some folks were curious about the sizes. The size defines are still just commented out in widgets/widget-sizes.h:
// GTK uses 24 for icon sizes by default. Spacing adjust to keep the // toolbar the same as other GTK applications. //#define AUX_BUTTON_SIZE 20 //#define AUX_SPACING 3 #define AUX_BUTTON_SIZE 24 #define AUX_SPACING 2
I've revereted these.
Both these are now broken. Why? What for? Can we return the small size at least as an option? [snip] P.S. The join/cap buttons with thick white midline replaced by thick black midline became even worse. So I went ahead and fixed them using a thin dotted midline.
Cool, thanks for fixing them. I've just been doing changes people talk about. Since I don't see the opposing comments (until now), I figure it's at least worth investigating to see what people think.
bulia byak wrote:
Sorry it's me ranting again. Do we HAVE to have those large buttons? I find them clumsy at this size. Up to now, there was:
- a meaningful hierarchy of sizes: main tool buttons large, tool
control buttons small.
- a coordination of the sizes of the buttons and the rest of controls
(spinbuttons, etc).
Both these are now broken. Why? What for? Can we return the small size at least as an option?
I'm aware of the "other apps do it this way" argument, and I'm generally sympathetic, but I don't think it has the priority over the "yuck, it's ugly" argument. That is, when what other apps do looks nice or at least decent, borrow. When our own solution is demonstrably better, stick with it.
Hello Bulia!
Well, it was I that poited out the bug/feature in the chatroom. Before the change the stock items seemed blurry because they were scaled down from 24x24 (the normal resolution for buttons) to 20x20. As you might notice they are much crisper now.
The other thing I encountured, and the real reason I brought the issue up, was because I was trying to make the icons in the menus bigger, from 13x13-14x14-something to 16x16. This was because the current size of the icons was making them very hard to differ from eachother (especially the zoom icons). I rezised them a bit and got them up to 16x16, but then the icons in the toolbar got clipped in a very strange way, and therefore I asked around for it. I haven´t properly tested if the clipping still occur yet, but hopefully it don´t. I´ll send a mail tomorrow. I´m sorry if my request has upset you, because I was only trying to solve what I thought was a bug.
The Gimp has an approach where you can choose between small and default icons for the toolbar. Maybe something like that would work?
Nice to see your improvments on my icons. Take care! - Andreas
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:33:21 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...> wrote:
Well, it was I that poited out the bug/feature in the chatroom. Before the change the stock items seemed blurry because they were scaled down from 24x24 (the normal resolution for buttons) to 20x20. As you might notice they are much crisper now.
Yeah, but at 30x30 they will be crisper still :)
I think they just need to be designed with a smaller size in mind. I.e. simpler, with less cruft and unneeded decorations.
The other thing I encountured, and the real reason I brought the issue up, was because I was trying to make the icons in the menus bigger, from 13x13-14x14-something to 16x16.
With this I agree, menu icons can be made a bit larger. But not by much.
icons was making them very hard to differ from eachother (especially the zoom icons).
Exactly. As I said, just make them more laconic and this will fix it.
The Gimp has an approach where you can choose between small and default icons for the toolbar. Maybe something like that would work?
As a long term (after-gtkmm) goal, sure.
bulia byak wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:33:21 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...> wrote:
Well, it was I that poited out the bug/feature in the chatroom. Before the change the stock items seemed blurry because they were scaled down from 24x24 (the normal resolution for buttons) to 20x20. As you might notice they are much crisper now.
Yeah, but at 30x30 they will be crisper still :)
I think they just need to be designed with a smaller size in mind. I.e. simpler, with less cruft and unneeded decorations.
Have a look at this picture too see what I mean. http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/inkscape_too_small_icons.png The icons are designed at 24x24, but are scaled down and therefore look less pleasant to the eye. This might be the icon themes fault for not supplying icons in 22x22 (the nearest gtk icon standard size to your ideal). On the other hand, we always have 16x16 that is even smaller.
The other thing I encountured, and the real reason I brought the issue up, was because I was trying to make the icons in the menus bigger, from 13x13-14x14-something to 16x16.
With this I agree, menu icons can be made a bit larger. But not by much.
This was I was trying to do when I ran in to troubles with strange clipping. Therefore the report. - Andreas
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:33:21 +0100, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@...563...> wrote:
The Gimp has an approach where you can choose between small and default icons for the toolbar.
If you are talking about themes in The GUIMP, the "Small" theme also decreases size of fonts.
Alexandre
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