Just forwarding to the Devel list, for wider audience. Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: brynn Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:31 PM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: [Inkscape-user] forum guidelines/CoC/complaints Hi Friends, I've previously volunteered to lead an effort to write the rules and guidelines for the new forum. Except for the rules about selecting staff and staff responsibilities, I think the community CoC should suffice. So I was just reviewing it. One thing specifically that I would like in the forum rules is a clear and concrete method where members can file a complaint and have it fairly heard and settled. In the CoC, apparently all that's available is contact Krzysztof Kosiński: tweenk.pl@...2620... Unless the complaint is about a moderator, in which case members are supposed to contact the Board. First question - Why is it a different process for complaints about moderators?

2nd - Can I at least say that Krzysztof Kosiński has some training and experience in conflict resolution? Or do we have other community members with such qualifications, who could do this for the forum?

Just forwarding to the Devel list, for wider audience. Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: brynn Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:31 PM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: [Inkscape-user] forum guidelines/CoC/complaints Hi Friends, I've previously volunteered to lead an effort to write the rules and guidelines for the new forum. Except for the rules about selecting staff and staff responsibilities, I think the community CoC should suffice. So I was just reviewing it. One thing specifically that I would like in the forum rules is a clear and concrete method where members can file a complaint and have it fairly heard and settled. In the CoC, apparently all that's available is contact Krzysztof Kosiński: tweenk.pl@...2620... Unless the complaint is about a moderator, in which case members are supposed to contact the Board. First question - Why is it a different process for complaints about moderators?

2nd - Can I at least say that Krzysztof Kosiński has some training and experience in conflict resolution? Or do we have other community members with such qualifications, who could do this for the forum?

We can amend the CoC to refer to somewhere else.

Does the Free Software ecosystem have a complaints resolution project/service yet?

Maybe something like ACAS(uk) but for code of conduct highest appeals sort of thing? Once it's gone past the Inkscape Community, The Inkscape Board and possibly SFC?

Best Regards, Martin Owens On Thu, 2019-02-14 at 18:51 -0700, brynn wrote: > Hi again, > I've had a reply from Krzysztof. Unfortunately, he says he > is no longer > a good candidate for this position. So if we still want to use this > process for > settling complaints, I guess we need to find someone else. > > So this goes kind of out of my hands. I'm not sure what the > process was > to write the CoC. But I guess we have to decide if we still want a > single > person with this responsibility. And if so, who might be interested > to do it. > > Personally, I think it's important to have a documented > process for > settling complaints. Whether it goes to one person, or some kind of > team or > panel, it's important to have it documented. > > But I'm not sure what the next step should be. > > All best, > brynn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryce Harrington > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:57 PM > To: brynn > Cc: Inkscape-Devel > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: [Inkscape-user] forum > guidelines/CoC/complaints > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 01:28:32PM -0700, brynn wrote: > > Just forwarding to the Devel list, for wider audience. > > Thanks, > > brynn > > > > -----Original Message----- From: brynn > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:31 PM > > To: Inkscape User Community > > Subject: [Inkscape-user] forum guidelines/CoC/complaints > > > > Hi Friends, > > I've previously volunteered to lead an effort to write the > > rules and > > guidelines for the new forum. Except for the rules about selecting > > staff and > > staff responsibilities, I think the community CoC should > > suffice. So I was > > just > > reviewing it. > > > > One thing specifically that I would like in the forum rules > > is a clear > > and concrete method where members can file a complaint and have it > > fairly > > heard > > and settled. > > > > In the CoC, apparently all that's available is contact > > Krzysztof > > Kosiński: tweenk.pl@...2620... Unless the complaint is about a > > moderator, in > > which case members are supposed to contact the Board. > > > > First question - Why is it a different process for > > complaints about > > moderators? > > The board has a higher level of authority and power to deal with > structural or staff problems than the CoC contact point does. > > > 2nd - Can I at least say that Krzysztof Kosiński has some > > training and > > experience in conflict resolution? Or do we have other community > > members with > > such qualifications, who could do this for the forum? > > Could you email him offlist and ask first? I don't know if he has > training in this area myself. IIRC he had felt we needed to have a > specific name included in the CoC to make the role concrete, and was > willing to serve as that name. > > It would certainly be useful to know if there are other community > members with training/experience in this area, and if they'd be > interested in serving in a formal role with the project. With the > new > forum coming online, this could be a convenient point in time to > transition if it makes sense. > > Bryce > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

> > We can amend the CoC to refer to somewhere else. > Please add this to the agenda for the next inkscape board meeting, and > we'll identify a person for this role. I'm not sure.... Is this where to put it on the agenda? http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings

Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: Bryce Harrington Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 1:06 AM To: doctormo@...400... Cc: brynn ; Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: forum guidelines/CoC/complaints On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:41:46AM -0500, doctormo@...400... wrote: > We can amend the CoC to refer to somewhere else. Please add this to the agenda for the next inkscape board meeting, and we'll identify a person for this role. Thanks for checking in with KK and verifying the situation. > Does the Free Software ecosystem have a complaints resolution > project/service yet? It would surprise me if such a thing existed. > Maybe something like ACAS(uk) but for code of > conduct highest appeals sort of thing? Once it's gone past the Inkscape > Community, The Inkscape Board and possibly SFC? SFC is very swamped right now. I would not suggest escalating to their level unless it the issue was so serious that it was a legal liability. Bryce > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Thu, 2019-02-14 at 18:51 -0700, brynn wrote: > > Hi again, > > I've had a reply from Krzysztof. Unfortunately, he says he > > is no longer > > a good candidate for this position. So if we still want to use this > > process for > > settling complaints, I guess we need to find someone else. > > > > So this goes kind of out of my hands. I'm not sure what the > > process was > > to write the CoC. But I guess we have to decide if we still want a > > single > > person with this responsibility. And if so, who might be interested > > to do it. > > > > Personally, I think it's important to have a documented > > process for > > settling complaints. Whether it goes to one person, or some kind of > > team or > > panel, it's important to have it documented. > > > > But I'm not sure what the next step should be. > > > > All best, > > brynn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryce Harrington > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:57 PM > > To: brynn > > Cc: Inkscape-Devel > > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: [Inkscape-user] forum > > guidelines/CoC/complaints > > > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 01:28:32PM -0700, brynn wrote: > > > Just forwarding to the Devel list, for wider audience. > > > Thanks, > > > brynn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: brynn > > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:31 PM > > > To: Inkscape User Community > > > Subject: [Inkscape-user] forum guidelines/CoC/complaints > > > > > > Hi Friends, > > > I've previously volunteered to lead an effort to write the > > > rules and > > > guidelines for the new forum. Except for the rules about selecting > > > staff and > > > staff responsibilities, I think the community CoC should > > > suffice. So I was > > > just > > > reviewing it. > > > > > > One thing specifically that I would like in the forum rules > > > is a clear > > > and concrete method where members can file a complaint and have it > > > fairly > > > heard > > > and settled. > > > > > > In the CoC, apparently all that's available is contact > > > Krzysztof > > > Kosiński: tweenk.pl@...2620... Unless the complaint is about a > > > moderator, in > > > which case members are supposed to contact the Board. > > > > > > First question - Why is it a different process for > > > complaints about > > > moderators? > > > > The board has a higher level of authority and power to deal with > > structural or staff problems than the CoC contact point does. > > > > > 2nd - Can I at least say that Krzysztof Kosiński has some > > > training and > > > experience in conflict resolution? Or do we have other community > > > members with > > > such qualifications, who could do this for the forum? > > > > Could you email him offlist and ask first? I don't know if he has > > training in this area myself. IIRC he had felt we needed to have a > > specific name included in the CoC to make the role concrete, and was > > willing to serve as that name. > > > > It would certainly be useful to know if there are other community > > members with training/experience in this area, and if they'd be > > interested in serving in a formal role with the project. With the > > new > > forum coming online, this could be a convenient point in time to > > transition if it makes sense. > > > > Bryce > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

> > We can amend the CoC to refer to somewhere else. > Please add this to the agenda for the next inkscape board meeting, and > we'll identify a person for this role. Sorry for the repeat. Is this the right place? http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings

And also, do I put it under Action Item?

Thanks again, brynn -----Original Message----- From: Bryce Harrington Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 1:06 AM To: doctormo@...400... Cc: brynn ; Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: forum guidelines/CoC/complaints On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:41:46AM -0500, doctormo@...400... wrote: > We can amend the CoC to refer to somewhere else. Please add this to the agenda for the next inkscape board meeting, and we'll identify a person for this role. Thanks for checking in with KK and verifying the situation. > Does the Free Software ecosystem have a complaints resolution > project/service yet? It would surprise me if such a thing existed. > Maybe something like ACAS(uk) but for code of > conduct highest appeals sort of thing? Once it's gone past the Inkscape > Community, The Inkscape Board and possibly SFC? SFC is very swamped right now. I would not suggest escalating to their level unless it the issue was so serious that it was a legal liability. Bryce > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Thu, 2019-02-14 at 18:51 -0700, brynn wrote: > > Hi again, > > I've had a reply from Krzysztof. Unfortunately, he says he > > is no longer > > a good candidate for this position. So if we still want to use this > > process for > > settling complaints, I guess we need to find someone else. > > > > So this goes kind of out of my hands. I'm not sure what the > > process was > > to write the CoC. But I guess we have to decide if we still want a > > single > > person with this responsibility. And if so, who might be interested > > to do it. > > > > Personally, I think it's important to have a documented > > process for > > settling complaints. Whether it goes to one person, or some kind of > > team or > > panel, it's important to have it documented. > > > > But I'm not sure what the next step should be. > > > > All best, > > brynn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryce Harrington > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:57 PM > > To: brynn > > Cc: Inkscape-Devel > > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: [Inkscape-user] forum > > guidelines/CoC/complaints > > > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 01:28:32PM -0700, brynn wrote: > > > Just forwarding to the Devel list, for wider audience. > > > Thanks, > > > brynn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: brynn > > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:31 PM > > > To: Inkscape User Community > > > Subject: [Inkscape-user] forum guidelines/CoC/complaints > > > > > > Hi Friends, > > > I've previously volunteered to lead an effort to write the > > > rules and > > > guidelines for the new forum. Except for the rules about selecting > > > staff and > > > staff responsibilities, I think the community CoC should > > > suffice. So I was > > > just > > > reviewing it. > > > > > > One thing specifically that I would like in the forum rules > > > is a clear > > > and concrete method where members can file a complaint and have it > > > fairly > > > heard > > > and settled. > > > > > > In the CoC, apparently all that's available is contact > > > Krzysztof > > > Kosiński: tweenk.pl@...2620... Unless the complaint is about a > > > moderator, in > > > which case members are supposed to contact the Board. > > > > > > First question - Why is it a different process for > > > complaints about > > > moderators? > > > > The board has a higher level of authority and power to deal with > > structural or staff problems than the CoC contact point does. > > > > > 2nd - Can I at least say that Krzysztof Kosiński has some > > > training and > > > experience in conflict resolution? Or do we have other community > > > members with > > > such qualifications, who could do this for the forum? > > > > Could you email him offlist and ask first? I don't know if he has > > training in this area myself. IIRC he had felt we needed to have a > > specific name included in the CoC to make the role concrete, and was > > willing to serve as that name. > > > > It would certainly be useful to know if there are other community > > members with training/experience in this area, and if they'd be > > interested in serving in a formal role with the project. With the > > new > > forum coming online, this could be a convenient point in time to > > transition if it makes sense. > > > > Bryce > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel