Hey Inkscapers,
Firstly, congratulations and thank you all so much for Inkscape 0.48
I was just looking at this page here:
http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en
And I have to say I'm fairly disappointed that Inkscape as a project caters so poorly to educating Free Desktop users about how to get Inkscape for their platform.
It's not just that there isn't a download for Ubuntu or Fedora directly, but because it doesn't even have an apt link or a ppa for where you can get the latest Inkscape release.
This causes major headaches for us trying to support Ubuntu: like Mozilla who recommend Ubuntu users upgrade their version of Ubuntu by downloading tar-balls, it's annoying, confusing for users and a it's maintaining the myth that FOSS is for geeks.
If you'd like some help with the preparation of the page and publishing for various platforms, I'd be very happy to lend a hand.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On 8/24/10, Martin Owens wrote:
If you'd like some help with the preparation of the page and publishing for various platforms, I'd be very happy to lend a hand.
JFDI :)
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
On 8/25/10, Martin Owens wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 09:28 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
JFDI :)
I tried to find the inkscape website code on launchpad, I tried t find an edit button for the page.
What else could be done other than writing an alternative website?
svn co https://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/inkscape/inkscape_web/trunk
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 01:13 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
Hey Inkscapers,
Firstly, congratulations and thank you all so much for Inkscape 0.48
I was just looking at this page here:
http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en
And I have to say I'm fairly disappointed that Inkscape as a project caters so poorly to educating Free Desktop users about how to get Inkscape for their platform.
It's not just that there isn't a download for Ubuntu or Fedora directly, but because it doesn't even have an apt link or a ppa for where you can get the latest Inkscape release.
I would like to get an official PPA set up, but haven't taken the time to really look into it yet. I was planning to have it in place prior to 0.49. Does Fedora offer anything similar? I think Suse does, am I correct? I would really like to include these things, but no one has offered to help with them so far. We used to offer autopackages, which people seemed to like, but no one has stepped up when the previous person stopped packaging them.
Cheers, Josh
On 08-24-10 1:30 AM, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 01:13 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: I would like to get an official PPA set up, but haven't taken the time to really look into it yet. I was planning to have it in place prior to 0.49. Does Fedora offer anything similar? I think Suse does, am I correct? I would really like to include these things, but no one has offered to help with them so far. We used to offer autopackages, which people seemed to like, but no one has stepped up when the previous person stopped packaging them.
Cheers, Josh
Josh,
I'd be happy to look into setting up the ppa, if you want me to. This is something that I've always thought would be helpful as well, so I'd be happy to put some time into it.
JF
On 8/24/10, Joshua Facemyer wrote:
Josh,
I'd be happy to look into setting up the ppa, if you want me to. This is something that I've always thought would be helpful as well, so I'd be happy to put some time into it.
We already have Ted's nightly builds PPA. Could it be a start?
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
I think what's needed (in addition to the nightly) is a ppa for the current stable build, updated with each official release - for the lag time until the current stable is included in the main Ubuntu repo.
I keep my own copy of dev built, but it's good to have an updated stable as well :)
JF
On 08/24/2010 03:07 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On 8/24/10, Joshua Facemyer wrote:
Josh,
I'd be happy to look into setting up the ppa, if you want me to. This is something that I've always thought would be helpful as well, so I'd be happy to put some time into it.
We already have Ted's nightly builds PPA. Could it be a start?
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Hey Josh,
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 22:30 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
I would like to get an official PPA set up, but haven't taken the time to really look into it yet. I was planning to have it in place prior to 0.49.
The unstable ppa is currently done manually right? It doesn't use the new launchpad/build recipes?
but no one has offered to help with them so far. We used to offer autopackages, which people seemed to like, but no one has stepped up when the previous person stopped packaging them.
Alan Pope has an Inkscape PPA and has offered to update it for 0.48, I'm sure we can sort something out. I've offered to fix download links and redo the download page so it's friendlier to all platforms, but so far I can't figure out how the website is managed or who to go to so I can't YFDI as someone suggested before.
Martin
On 9/1/10, Martin Owens wrote:
I've offered to fix download links and redo the download page so it's friendlier to all platforms, but so far I can't figure out how the website is managed or who to go to so I can't YFDI as someone suggested before.
Ahem. I told you how to checkout website from SVN, no? :-)
So you had further questions, but you didn't ask them. May I ask why?
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
Hey Alexandre,
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 18:07 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Ahem. I told you how to checkout website from SVN, no? :-)
No, you didn't. Though I would love to be told how to do that (it's not in bzr yet?)
So you had further questions, but you didn't ask them. May I ask why?
I did ask for the one thing I needed to know, but I would say that RTFM style conversations aren't as conductive to good dialog in the modern programming community.
Martin,
2010/9/1 Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...>:
Hey Alexandre,
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 18:07 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Ahem. I told you how to checkout website from SVN, no? :-)
No, you didn't. Though I would love to be told how to do that (it's not in bzr yet?)
Well, he did: svn co https://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/inkscape/inkscape_web/trunk
This is some pretty arcane setup. IIRC, there is a script that periodically updates the website based on the content from the above SVN branch. It's not moved to Launchpad yet, because it requires direct access to the web server (it must be changed to pull from Launchpad instead of SVN).
If you have commit access to Inkscape, you should also be able to change the website content.
Regards, Krzysztof
On 9/1/10, Martin Owens wrote:
Ahem. I told you how to checkout website from SVN, no? :-)
No, you didn't.
Of course I did, Re-check your mail from August 25.
Though I would love to be told how to do that (it's not in bzr yet?)
No, it's not in bzr yet. This would require rewriting a scripts that fetches data from version control system. I seem to have write access to it. If anybody wants to adjust it to use bzr, let me know.
In fact, our custom website CMS is rather unmaintained. Several people volunteered to create a new website based on drupal or possibly something else, and we never heard back from them.
but I would say that RTFM style conversations aren't as conductive to good dialog in the modern programming community.
There are no RTFM conversations here.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
Alexandre,
No, it's not in bzr yet. This would require rewriting a scripts that fetches data from version control system. I seem to have write access to it. If anybody wants to adjust it to use bzr, let me know.
I'd be happy to do this, assuming no-one else is interested. Though for now, I have a couple of extensions and patches to complete/fix, so it will not be immediately, perhaps I could start on this in 2-3 weeks. Can I perhaps get hold of* the original script to mull over? (* or a pointer to)
On the topic of the website, there's also the minor issue of dual domains serving the same web content (inkscape.org and www.inkscape.org). This is not recommended by google, AFAIR, and one ought to be a permanent 301 redirect to the other. This should just need an apache rewrite directive adding to the .htaccess file.
In fact, our custom website CMS is rather unmaintained. Several people volunteered to create a new website based on drupal or possibly something else, and we never heard back from them.
If it ain't broke, ...
Or perhaps I just don't see what's wrong with the current setup - is it not working as it should? Does it really require changing and upgrading? (Those are honest questions.) This too, is something I could help with, if it's really needed, but I won't spend time on something that's unnecessary, and I don't want to sign up for it just yet, while I still have inkscape things I'm working on. If you could answer the above two questions, then I could get back in touch with you when I have a little more time.
Thanks, Craig
On 9/1/10, Craig Marshall wrote:
No, it's not in bzr yet. This would require rewriting a scripts that fetches data from version control system. I seem to have write access to it. If anybody wants to adjust it to use bzr, let me know.
I'd be happy to do this, assuming no-one else is interested. Though for now, I have a couple of extensions and patches to complete/fix, so it will not be immediately, perhaps I could start on this in 2-3 weeks. Can I perhaps get hold of* the original script to mull over? (* or a pointer to)
Here you are: http://pastebin.com/UwqA4n7f
On the topic of the website, there's also the minor issue of dual domains serving the same web content (inkscape.org and www.inkscape.org). This is not recommended by google, AFAIR, and one ought to be a permanent 301 redirect to the other. This should just need an apache rewrite directive adding to the .htaccess file.
Please send me the code. I'll contact OSUOSL to have that changed. I don't think I have write access to *that* :)
In fact, our custom website CMS is rather unmaintained. Several people volunteered to create a new website based on drupal or possibly something else, and we never heard back from them.
If it ain't broke, ...
Or perhaps I just don't see what's wrong with the current setup - is it not working as it should?
We need at least redesign. Badly. The current menu is already a usability nightmare, and I was going to add Books page.
As for functionality, one thing the current CMS is missing is per-language RSS feeds for news. But that's just *my* pet peeve. Other people can point out different things.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
On the topic of the website, there's also the minor issue of dual domains serving the same web content (inkscape.org and www.inkscape.org). This is not recommended by google, AFAIR, and one ought to be a permanent 301 redirect to the other. This should just need an apache rewrite directive adding to the .htaccess file.
Please send me the code. I'll contact OSUOSL to have that changed. I don't think I have write access to *that* :)
.htaccess, not httpd.conf - .htaccess lives in the web root (i.e. the root of the SVN repository) and you can change it. Here's what we need to move www.inkscape.org to inkscape.org. (That is the direction I would shift it.) Put it at the end of the file.
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www.inkscape.org$ [NC] RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://inkscape.org/$1 [L,R=301]
-- Chris
On 9/2/10, Chris Morgan wrote:
Please send me the code. I'll contact OSUOSL to have that changed. I don't think I have write access to *that* :)
.htaccess, not httpd.conf
I sort of know, thanks :)
- .htaccess lives in the web root (i.e. the root
of the SVN repository) and you can change it. Here's what we need to move www.inkscape.org to inkscape.org. (That is the direction I would shift it.) Put it at the end of the file.
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www.inkscape.org$ [NC] RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://inkscape.org/$1 [L,R=301]
Done. Many thanks. Please check and let me know if it's okay :)
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
- .htaccess lives in the web root (i.e. the root
of the SVN repository) and you can change it. Here's what we need to
move
www.inkscape.org to inkscape.org. (That is the direction I would shift it.) Put it at the end of the file.
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www.inkscape.org$ [NC] RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://inkscape.org/$1 [L,R=301]
Done. Many thanks. Please check and let me know if it's okay :)
Where did you change it? You didn't put it the SVN repository.
And whatever you've done doesn't seem to be working. Perhaps it needs to be put just below the line RewriteEngine On. The mod_rewrite stuff is really weird on that server - at the end of last year I put in a rule which should have made http://wiki.inkscape.org/favicon.ico *not* redirect to http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/favicon.ico - which gives a 404 - and it doesn't work. And I don't understand why - the syntax is all correct and it should work fine.
-- Chris
On 09/01/2010 05:12 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
We need at least redesign. Badly. The current menu is already a usability nightmare, and I was going to add Books page.
As for functionality, one thing the current CMS is missing is per-language RSS feeds for news. But that's just *my* pet peeve. Other people can point out different things.
It's really pretty simple to update the current site.
However, while the current system is ok, it would be a huge help to contribution/editing/maintenance to use a good cms. For all the reasons cmses are great, their negative points aside. ;)
JF
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Martin Owens