Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
Bryce
Bryce Harrington scrisse:
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
Google summer of code will end on August 20 (31 for bureaucracy). Plus I think that we'd need to test extensively the new feature introduced by GSoC guys to release a real stable 0.46.
Anyway if you think that a release is feasible very soon, please remember to alert translators in advance, to let them the time to update various languages.
Bryce
Cheers, Luca
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 20:11 +0200, Luca Bruno wrote:
Bryce Harrington scrisse:
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
Google summer of code will end on August 20 (31 for bureaucracy). Plus I think that we'd need to test extensively the new feature introduced by GSoC guys to release a real stable 0.46.
Anyway if you think that a release is feasible very soon, please remember to alert translators in advance, to let them the time to update various languages.
Bryce
Cheers, Luca
Better to get a release out for ubuntu and other distros. At GUADEC, ppl keep asking me about...
The release will help spur commits and accelerate development IMO. I think it is very well time for 0.46.
Jon
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On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
We certainly already have enough new stuff to release. But we have even more stuff being worked on. If we freeze now, a lot of stuff will be delayed. LPEs are out, 3D tool is most likely out too, PDF import is also unfinished, etc. I really don't think we are ready for a release right now.
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:33:09PM -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
We certainly already have enough new stuff to release. But we have even more stuff being worked on. If we freeze now, a lot of stuff will be delayed. LPEs are out, 3D tool is most likely out too, PDF import is also unfinished, etc. I really don't think we are ready for a release right now.
Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu release will be next spring (April 2008).
Bryce
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 12:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:33:09PM -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
We certainly already have enough new stuff to release. But we have even more stuff being worked on. If we freeze now, a lot of stuff will be delayed. LPEs are out, 3D tool is most likely out too, PDF import is also unfinished, etc. I really don't think we are ready for a release right now.
Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu release will be next spring (April 2008).
Bryce
THat is so long away! Everytime Inkscape gears up for a release, work speeds up...with no release in site, work slows down. Although, yes, Inkscape is not a time-based release system, 1 month is good if we put our minds to it...low stress inkscape anarchy style of course...
Jon
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Jon Phillips wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 12:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:33:09PM -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
We certainly already have enough new stuff to release. But we have even more stuff being worked on. If we freeze now, a lot of stuff will be delayed. LPEs are out, 3D tool is most likely out too, PDF import is also unfinished, etc. I really don't think we are ready for a release right now.
Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu release will be next spring (April 2008).
Bryce
THat is so long away! Everytime Inkscape gears up for a release, work speeds up...with no release in site, work slows down. Although, yes, Inkscape is not a time-based release system, 1 month is good if we put our minds to it...low stress inkscape anarchy style of course...
I recall a couple releases ago we were gearing up for a new release, and things didn't speed up. In fact, they came to a screeching halt because people weren't motivated to release at that time. If I recall correctly, it was actually the last time we tried to do a "fast" release.
Even though we don't have a release plan for 0.46 right now, work is chugging along nicely thanks to GSoC. However, discussing a timeframe for release would probably be wise... that way we can maintain momentum toward release once the SoC is finished.
-Josh
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:05 -0700, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
Jon Phillips wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 12:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:33:09PM -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
We certainly already have enough new stuff to release. But we have even more stuff being worked on. If we freeze now, a lot of stuff will be delayed. LPEs are out, 3D tool is most likely out too, PDF import is also unfinished, etc. I really don't think we are ready for a release right now.
Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu release will be next spring (April 2008).
Bryce
THat is so long away! Everytime Inkscape gears up for a release, work speeds up...with no release in site, work slows down. Although, yes, Inkscape is not a time-based release system, 1 month is good if we put our minds to it...low stress inkscape anarchy style of course...
I recall a couple releases ago we were gearing up for a new release, and things didn't speed up. In fact, they came to a screeching halt because people weren't motivated to release at that time. If I recall correctly, it was actually the last time we tried to do a "fast" release.
Even though we don't have a release plan for 0.46 right now, work is chugging along nicely thanks to GSoC. However, discussing a timeframe for release would probably be wise... that way we can maintain momentum toward release once the SoC is finished.
-Josh
Yes, you are wise...I think this is smart.
Jon
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On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:33:09PM -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
We certainly already have enough new stuff to release. But we have even more stuff being worked on. If we freeze now, a lot of stuff will be delayed. LPEs are out, 3D tool is most likely out too, PDF import is also unfinished, etc. I really don't think we are ready for a release right now.
Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu release will be next spring (April 2008).
Bryce
Then thats the next time we have an update of Inkscape in the Ubuntu release. personally I'd rather ship old than buggy, which is likely to be what you get if we try for a relase in a month. The SoC stuff is not going to be ready, and as bulia said, going into freeze will make them doing their stuff on time a whole lot harder. If this was something we wanted to aim for we should have kept the GSoC stuff in a branch, so that we could freeze the trunk without majorly disrupting their stuff. Not saying we shouldnt do 0.46 before next spring, but I dont think a month is a feasible timescale from what we've seen in the past. Just my 2c
Sim btw, theres a markers patch in the tracker that I'd appreciate someone taking a look at/commiting, I cant get SVN to work at all at the minute in terms of commiting.
"john cliff" <john.cliff@...400...> writes:
I cant get SVN to work at all at the minute in terms of commiting.
But you can update? So it's not the
svn switch --relocate https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/inkscape \ https://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/inkscape
thing? I had to do that a few days ago, but I couldn't even update.
Cheers Colin
On 7/16/07, Colin Marquardt <colin@...384...> wrote:
"john cliff" <john.cliff@...400...> writes:
I cant get SVN to work at all at the minute in terms of commiting.
But you can update? So it's not the
svn switch --relocate https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/inkscape \ https://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/inkscape
thing? I had to do that a few days ago, but I couldn't even update.
Cheers Colin
it updates fine, just wont let me commit. path etc is right.
John Cliff wrote:
personally I'd rather ship old than buggy, which is likely to be what you get if we try for a relase in a month.
I agree completely with this.
A release say a month after GSoC has ended seems much nicer. Then we can do a quick release before April. (make the even numbered versions ones too long for [late release in '6 month' schedule], and odd numbered ones the more bugfixes less added features quick releases?)
In any case, I am very much in favor of releasing _quickly_ but _after_ GSoC.
Cheers, Johan
On Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:49:16 PM, john wrote:
jc> On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
bh> Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu bh> release will be next spring (April 2008).
jc> Then thats the next time we have an update of Inkscape in the Ubuntu jc> release.
Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) 7.04 have update mechanisms. Packages can be shipped at any time. Thus, 7.10 and 8.04 are not the only shipping opportunities.
What I would like to see, though, is 0.46 showing up in the package repositories very soon after the release is available on SF.
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 11:50:01AM +0200, Chris Lilley wrote:
On Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:49:16 PM, john wrote:
jc> On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
bh> Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu bh> release will be next spring (April 2008).
jc> Then thats the next time we have an update of Inkscape in the Ubuntu jc> release.
Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) 7.04 have update mechanisms. Packages can be shipped at any time. Thus, 7.10 and 8.04 are not the only shipping opportunities.
Yes, for Feisty I tried getting 0.45.1 in through the SRU process but it was not accepted since they were only interested in patches that fixed replicatable crash bugs. There is also a backports process but last I checked 0.45.1 was still waiting in the queue (it's been about a month). Given this, I don't have any faith that a 0.46 release not timed with the ubuntu release would get in after the release is made.
What I would like to see, though, is 0.46 showing up in the package repositories very soon after the release is available on SF.
No, it's extremely doubtful this could happen. But it is clear the concensus is that there is not a desire to do a release at this time, so the earliest Ubuntu users could see 0.46 in the official package repositories is April next year.
Bryce
On 7/17/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 11:50:01AM +0200, Chris Lilley wrote:
On Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:49:16 PM, john wrote:
jc> On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
bh> Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a Ubuntu bh> release will be next spring (April 2008).
jc> Then thats the next time we have an update of Inkscape in the Ubuntu jc> release.
Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) 7.04 have update mechanisms. Packages can be shipped at any time. Thus, 7.10 and 8.04 are not the only shipping opportunities.
Yes, for Feisty I tried getting 0.45.1 in through the SRU process but it was not accepted since they were only interested in patches that fixed replicatable crash bugs. There is also a backports process but last I checked 0.45.1 was still waiting in the queue (it's been about a month). Given this, I don't have any faith that a 0.46 release not timed with the ubuntu release would get in after the release is made.
What I would like to see, though, is 0.46 showing up in the package repositories very soon after the release is available on SF.
No, it's extremely doubtful this could happen. But it is clear the concensus is that there is not a desire to do a release at this time, so the earliest Ubuntu users could see 0.46 in the official package repositories is April next year.
Bryce
Its not that theres no desire, just that I dont think its practically doable while maintiaining a good level of quality. If we did one, it would be rushed and likely buggy. which isnt what you want to be the impression that everyone getting ubuntu gets of inkscape.
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 05:52:03PM +0100, john cliff wrote:
On 7/17/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 11:50:01AM +0200, Chris Lilley wrote:
On Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:49:16 PM, john wrote:
jc> On 7/16/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
bh> Okay, so then the next opportunity for getting Inkscape out for a
Ubuntu
bh> release will be next spring (April 2008).
jc> Then thats the next time we have an update of Inkscape in the Ubuntu jc> release.
Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) 7.04 have update mechanisms. Packages can be
shipped at any time. Thus, 7.10 and 8.04 are not the only shipping opportunities.
Yes, for Feisty I tried getting 0.45.1 in through the SRU process but it was not accepted since they were only interested in patches that fixed replicatable crash bugs. There is also a backports process but last I checked 0.45.1 was still waiting in the queue (it's been about a month). Given this, I don't have any faith that a 0.46 release not timed with the ubuntu release would get in after the release is made.
What I would like to see, though, is 0.46 showing up in the package repositories very soon after the release is available on SF.
No, it's extremely doubtful this could happen. But it is clear the concensus is that there is not a desire to do a release at this time, so the earliest Ubuntu users could see 0.46 in the official package repositories is April next year.
Bryce
Its not that theres no desire, just that I dont think its practically doable while maintiaining a good level of quality. If we did one, it would be rushed and likely buggy.
I did not say there's no desire, but that the concensus is that doing a release at this time (i.e. doing a release in one month) is not desired. Which is basically what you're confirming here. ;-)
For whatever case, "the stars are not right" for a release, and that answers my original question - I don't need to schedule Inkscape time this go around. Which is fine; I'm busy with other stuff anyway.
Bryce
Hi,
apropos a new release. Ever one who is interested in finding the best time for a realese may be interested in Martin Michlmayr dissertation about "Quality Improvement in Volunteer Free and Open Source Software Projects - Exploring the Impact of Release Management" http://www.cyrius.com/publications/michlmayr-phd.pdf
Regards, Tobias
Am Montag, den 16.07.2007, 10:45 -0700 schrieb Bryce Harrington:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
Bryce
Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
Definitely been a bit since the last release... and as much as I would love to see a new release, it would take a lot of manpower to get 0.46 in shape in a month. So much that I see it as unfeasible (a few of our core people are very busy and others are MIA).
We would have to determine what of the in-progress features could be included, update documentation (which the tutorials are undergoing a pretty major overhaul), testing, bug fixing, more testing, pre-releases, getting an about screen, etc... all of which are best not rushed.
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
My vote is no for this dev cycle of Ubuntu. It won't be in the main repos, but wouldn't a backport be doable? I know that's not the most user friendly, but it's not a bad compromise for one release. Another option is since we have a couple Ubuntu folk on board, perhaps we could have unofficial debs on SF for people.
It seems appropriate to me to bring something up that we haven't discussed in a while. Is anyone else interested in getting on the Gnome release schedule? It makes the most sense to me as it seems the "major" distros try to synch with it as well.
Being on the Gnome release schedule would give us a regimented 6 month release cycle. It has the potential for us to really streamline our release process by having a posted schedule for feature freeze, bug fixing, testing, string freeze, etc. Obviously if we feel it's better to cut a release sooner, that's no problem. But, this way gives us an "at most" (which we could still stray from if need really exists) timeframe.
Currently the only thing I can think of that will consistently conflict with the Gnome schedule is GSoC. And if we do entertain the idea of the Gnome/6 month schedule, it would make sense for us to have all SoC projects in a branch.
I know that branches can be a pain, but Johan has done a good job with his this year. Given how well it's worked for Johan, I think that more than one student merging changes from trunk to a GSoC branch would make it even smoother. I'd even go as far as to suggest us more seriously looking into git to avoid the pain we typically see with branches, but, we do have a few win32 devs and last I heard, git on win32 wouldn't be an option (unfortunately).
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
-Josh
On 7/17/07, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
My vote is no for this dev cycle of Ubuntu. It won't be in the main repos, but wouldn't a backport be doable? I know that's not the most user friendly, but it's not a bad compromise for one release. Another option is since we have a couple Ubuntu folk on board, perhaps we could have unofficial debs on SF for people.
Judging by the past, by April 2008 we will be ready to kick out a well tested 0.47 release, while with a) just a month ahead and b) developers, translators and maybe even students travelling away we will most likely crash into 0.46.1 or maybe even 0.46.2 (remember 0.42.2?), so we will end up with either updates or backports for Ubuntu 7.10 anyway.
Snapping to GNOME release plan nodes ;-) is an interesting idea. But maybe we are slightly more "creative" and less predictable :-) than GNOME developers to tell ourself: no, we want to postpone this cool feature.
<provoking>And even being an avid Ubuntu user I don't think that Ubuntu is better that either SuSE, or Mandriva or Fedora Core or etc. to depend on.</provoking>
Alexandre
"Joshua A. Andler" <joshua@...533...> writes:
We would have to determine what of the in-progress features could be included, update documentation (which the tutorials are undergoing a pretty major overhaul),
Yeah, I'm also currently in the process of converting the translations to PO without which it would be a pain to update them to new strings in the originals (equivalent XML translation editors are not mainstream enough IMO). It's a slowish process.
It seems appropriate to me to bring something up that we haven't discussed in a while. Is anyone else interested in getting on the Gnome release schedule? It makes the most sense to me as it seems the "major" distros try to synch with it as well.
Being on the Gnome release schedule would give us a regimented 6 month release cycle. It has the potential for us to really streamline our release process by having a posted schedule for feature freeze, bug fixing, testing, string freeze, etc. Obviously if we feel it's better to cut a release sooner, that's no problem. But, this way gives us an "at most" (which we could still stray from if need really exists) timeframe.
I think it would be better, yes. I always feel a bit rushed when someone asks about doing a release. :)
And if we do entertain the idea of the Gnome/6 month schedule, it would make sense for us to have all SoC projects in a branch.
It then would be worth to write an Inkscape-specific SVK guide which will help streamlining working on a branch as well.
Cheers Colin
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 23:13 +0200, Colin Marquardt wrote:
And if we do entertain the idea of the Gnome/6 month schedule, it would make sense for us to have all SoC projects in a branch.
It then would be worth to write an Inkscape-specific SVK guide which will help streamlining working on a branch as well.
I don't particuarly like the idea of doing the SoC work on a branch, since a lot of problems don't get spotted until things are merged to trunk.
-mental
Bryce,
we are here tons of Inkscape (silent) users which we listen daily / weekly to hears or ..to test new Inkscape abilities ( in special 3Dbox, Text Tool enhancements ).
This community is / will be always hungry ;)
Enfin, with v0.45.1 I do some work for print - and I have to tell you all that the printed materials come out very good ( after CMYK separation ). The client won't believe-me I do all job in Linux, with free software - because he know my Corel Draw background.
On the other side a question about other import / export formats - regarding progress of Sk1 team in their Universal CDR importer and UniConvertor - we will see these utilities, on a good day, working in Inkscape ? - any plan ?.
----------------------------- Sorin - a daily Inkscape user
Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all,
It's been a while since our 0.45.1 release, and a ton of good new features have been added in. However, in recent months many of us have busy with new jobs, school, conferences, etc. However with summer here I'd like to hear if there is interest in seeing 0.46 released?
Ubuntu's next feature freeze is August 16th, one month from now. I would love to see Inkscape 0.46 ready for inclusion there, and would be able to pitch in help if others are also interested in getting an Inkscape release out in that timeframe. What do you think?
Bryce
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