On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:57:23 +0300 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:

On 11/26/09, gorgonzola@...1955... wrote:

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i deleted the old installation and installed the latest version. now i get this error:

In file included from extension/init.cpp:39: extension/internal/pdfinput/pdf-input.h:38:20: error: PDFDoc.h: No such file or directory

./configure --help for poppler is your friend :)

could you please be more explicit? can't see how that hint helps further. poppler is installed correctly and evince and abiword, for example, work fine with it. so what extension is missing? do you need the deprecated xpdf headers or what else? please be more explicit! i have no clou what a PDFDoc.h contains and where it comes from for what purpose! also, if you mean the --enable-poppler-cairo option for inkscape, can you please tell me why inkscape traps into this? if the option is not chosen, why it tries to compile with poppler support?

i will now try this option. however, your "clever" comment wasn't helpful at all!

many thans, dennis

Alexandre

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Dennis Heuer wrote:

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./configure --help for poppler is your friend :)

could you please be more explicit? can't see how that hint helps further. poppler is installed correctly and evince and abiword, for example, work fine with it. so what extension is missing? do you need the deprecated xpdf headers or what else? please be more explicit! i have no clou what a PDFDoc.h contains and where it comes from for what purpose! also, if you mean the --enable-poppler-cairo option for inkscape, can you please tell me why inkscape traps into this? if the option is not chosen, why it tries to compile with poppler support?

i will now try this option. however, your "clever" comment wasn't helpful at all!

Well, I'm sorry. I thought you'd be a little more Sherlock Homes style of a person :)

I do believe that what you are after is --enable-xpdf-headers.

Alexandre

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:29:15 +0300 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

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I do believe that what you are after is --enable-xpdf-headers.

And, by the way, the headers you are after are inside 'poppler' directory in source code tarball.

nice, you now also believe that my hobby is scanning through tarballs? i still believe that inkscape should drop a redundant dependency here!

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:26:33 +0300 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Dennis Heuer wrote:

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./configure --help for poppler is your friend :)

could you please be more explicit? can't see how that hint helps further. poppler is installed correctly and evince and abiword, for example, work fine with it. so what extension is missing? do you need the deprecated xpdf headers or what else? please be more explicit! i have no clou what a PDFDoc.h contains and where it comes from for what purpose! also, if you mean the --enable-poppler-cairo option for inkscape, can you please tell me why inkscape traps into this? if the option is not chosen, why it tries to compile with poppler support?

i will now try this option. however, your "clever" comment wasn't helpful at all!

Well, I'm sorry. I thought you'd be a little more Sherlock Homes style of a person :)

I do believe that what you are after is --enable-xpdf-headers.

you know that these are unsupported!? should i really touch them even if i am more the sherlock holmes guy liking to waste a weekend for only watching c++ code to snailcrawl up the screen?

i still can't find anything clever on your comment because it is not clever at all to install unsupported headers. can't even see why inkscape relies on them. dropping this dependency would be clever from my point of view!

sorry but...

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:19:02 +0300 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Heuer wrote:

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you know that these are unsupported!? should i really touch them even if i am more the sherlock holmes guy liking to waste a weekend for only watching c++ code to snailcrawl up the screen?

i still can't find anything clever on your comment because it is not clever at all to install unsupported headers. can't even see why inkscape relies on them. dropping this dependency would be clever from my point of view!

I'm genuinely surprised to find myself possible to answer you mails when your volume slider is that close to maximum point.

stand up before a mirror and speak: it's me who provokes this; it's me who provokes this...

better is: i should re-think my style of support; i should re-think my style of support...

If you can implement PDF importing without PDFDoc.h, please send us a patch. There is nothing _I_ can do about the way we use poppler.

first, i don't have to know this at all because i am not an inkscape developer, as i wrote early in this thread! so, don't expect me to know about this but rather tell about it early. it helps understanding the case!

second, pointing somebody being able to compile a source package to "./configure --help" - and smiling - treats him like a dumm person.

third, there is no option provided that clearly expresses: "i am the one installing PDFDoc.h"

fourth, instead of pointing me to *second*, you could have targetet me to the correct option easily and without the need for a clever smiley!

fifth, nobody needs to play "sherlock holmes" if he just wants to install and use a package. not even a geek like linus torvalds knows the content and the relations of the packages on his system - and he doesn't want to!

sixth, inkscape relies on an exceptional option because this is not needed for any other tool (evince, abiword...) i know of. and i have installed manually about 300 packages on this system. this exceptional option could (or rather should) be expressed in the dependencies section.

seventh, if those headers are exceptional and optional (and they are!), configure should check for them instead of make should break somewhere in the build after half an hour!

eighth, if somebody posts to you that he is not an inkscape developer (as i did!), this doesn't mean that you can treat him like a dumm child, smiling at him, and tell him to play "sherlock holmes" to solve the problem himself. at least not if you take support for serious.

i stop here!

possibly you now can see why my "volume slider" is pushed so high. if not, shoot yourself! and, thanks for the fish...

2009/11/27 Dennis Heuer <gorgonzola@...1955...>:

stand up before a mirror and speak: it's me who provokes this; it's me who provokes this...

better is: i should re-think my style of support; i should re-think my style of support...

.....I cut out a bunch of the rant

eighth, if somebody posts to you that he is not an inkscape developer (as i did!), this doesn't mean that you can treat him like a dumm child, smiling at him, and tell him to play "sherlock holmes" to solve the problem himself. at least not if you take support for serious.

i stop here!

possibly you now can see why my "volume slider" is pushed so high. if not, shoot yourself! and, thanks for the fish...

to quote a recent email,

stand up before a mirror and speak: it's me who provokes this; it's me who provokes this...

better is: it's me who provokes this, i should re-think my style of asking for support, it's me who provokes this, i should re-think my style of asking support...

seriously, you might want to think about how you go asking for help, as thats one of the least polite responses to someone trying to help I've ever seen, and for the record, he didnt treat you like a dumb child, quite the opposite, since you made it sound like you were a developer he didnt spell it all out as much as he probably would of if he thought you didnt know what you were doing...

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:15:35 +0100 Jogchum Reitsma <j.reitsma@...528...> wrote:

Dennis Heuer schreef:

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stand up before a mirror and speak: it's me who provokes this; it's me who provokes this...

better is: i should re-think my style of support; i should re-think my style of support...

Well, I'm not a contributor to Inkscape at all, but I know how -I- whould re-think the style of support to you: fuck off, you get no support whatsoever. Does mr. Prokoudine get paid to support you? Do you pay him to support you? Did he get paid developing Inkscape? Did you pay for Inkscape? Even if you did, I myself would be glad to lose a customer who adresses me in this tone...

only to be clear about this: the agressor was alexandre. he treated me as a stupid for no reason in his very first and short email. to be clear about your nonsense above. yes, programmers tend to smear their ego over the project. this is poor, underdeveloped behaviour but a truth especially for free-source projects. because they are open, developers tend to behave like at home in zoo. no control of their habits but whining and ranting if held back. it is a sad truth that developers are not trained how to guide a mailinglist. however, i don't take every dumm action against my person. especially not if it is the first greeting!

by the way: your tone really is as unpleasant as it could be. though i myself argued in my last email very clearly and in detail, your brainless ranting rather shows a different education. also, the question is not if you get paid but why you answer at all. you were no help, alexandre was no help. however, profiling your selfs seems to be always valid from your points of view. if you didn't want to support, you could just have ignored my please. if you wanted money, you could have asked for it. i would have answered straight to that. no, you just behaved ugly right away without anything to the case! for what was this??????