Hello,
I'm curious as to the state of the MAC OS X DMG of Inkscape? I would like to make the push to get a working Mac DMG of Inkscape out as part of 0.42. Many people I know in academia want to use Inkscape in the classroom. I also can't bear to watch my gf use Illustrator in all its clunkiness on her new mac -- honestly, it is bloated and is useless without the tracing feature. I'm always shuttling fixed images back to her so she can use in her work.
Anyhow, I see the wiki page on Compiling OS X is quite full of a lot of comments, but no clear answer to the OS X package.
http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CompilingMacOsX
Basically, I would like for our next release to come out with inkscape-0.42-mac-ppc.dmg at sf.net. Therefore, people will be able to download and be happy in mac land. Obviously, this will require X11 (unless someone wants to port it to aqua...hahahahah...just kidding).
Please update me!
Jon
On Wednesday 15 June 2005 22:18, Jon Phillips wrote:
Hello,
I'm curious as to the state of the MAC OS X DMG of Inkscape? I would like to make the push to get a working Mac DMG of Inkscape out as part of 0.42. Many people I know in academia want to use Inkscape in the classroom. I also can't bear to watch my gf use Illustrator in all its clunkiness on her new mac -- honestly, it is bloated and is useless without the tracing feature. I'm always shuttling fixed images back to her so she can use in her work.
Anyhow, I see the wiki page on Compiling OS X is quite full of a lot of comments, but no clear answer to the OS X package.
http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CompilingMacOsX
Basically, I would like for our next release to come out with inkscape-0.42-mac-ppc.dmg at sf.net. Therefore, people will be able to download and be happy in mac land. Obviously, this will require X11 (unless someone wants to port it to aqua...hahahahah...just kidding).
Please update me!
hmm pity about that X11 requirement for GTK2.. :S or is there a GTK2 for Aqua in the works?
Craig
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 22:25 +0200, Craig Bradney wrote:
hmm pity about that X11 requirement for GTK2.. :S or is there a GTK2 for Aqua in the works?
Perhaps: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?Gtk-macos-x /Per
On Wednesday 15 June 2005 23:06, Per Bjornsson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 22:25 +0200, Craig Bradney wrote:
hmm pity about that X11 requirement for GTK2.. :S or is there a GTK2 for Aqua in the works?
Perhaps: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?Gtk-macos-x /Per
hmm cool. Come join us on OSX/Aqua :)
Craig Scribus
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 14:06 -0700, Per Bjornsson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 22:25 +0200, Craig Bradney wrote:
hmm pity about that X11 requirement for GTK2.. :S or is there a GTK2 for Aqua in the works?
Perhaps: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?Gtk-macos-x /Per
Cool, but check this blog post by the lead dev: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2005/06/10/215-demotivation
Apple demotivation..."Why do you want to support OS 10.2," they ask.
Jon
On Wednesday 15 June 2005 23:30, Jon Phillips wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 14:06 -0700, Per Bjornsson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 22:25 +0200, Craig Bradney wrote:
hmm pity about that X11 requirement for GTK2.. :S or is there a GTK2 for Aqua in the works?
Perhaps: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?Gtk-macos-x /Per
Cool, but check this blog post by the lead dev: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2005/06/10/215-demotivation
Apple demotivation..."Why do you want to support OS 10.2," they ask.
Hmm yeah.. wonderful huh.
Craig
On 6/15/05, Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> wrote:
Hello,
I'm curious as to the state of the MAC OS X DMG of Inkscape?
We have something like that claimed done by Kees in 0.42 release notes. I would be curious as to what is the current status of that.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
I'm curious as to the state of the MAC OS X DMG of Inkscape? I would like to make the push to get a working Mac DMG of Inkscape out as part of 0.42.
Anyhow, I see the wiki page on Compiling OS X is quite full of a lot of comments, but no clear answer to the OS X package.
I've succesfully made a DMG compiled from yesterday's CVS HEAD. It's a hybrid of bits from Kee's `osx-app.sh' script, the current Gimp.app and the icons from M-Rick's DMG posted on the wiki. I've tested it on several 10.3.x machines *without* fink installed, and will try it on a 10.4.1 machine tomorrow evening.
M-Rick did post a DMG on the wiki page but it seems to have a few problems. It apparently starts incredibly slowly for some people, has some hacks that copy files into or set up links within /sw where some of the files/libraries seem to be expected. Also it is a 60+MB DMG and 280MB unpacked. I haven't really looked into any of these issues, but judging from the comments on the wiki page and brief look at the DMG the size may be due to extra libraries unecessarily included, and the start times due to the directory/copying hackery.
The DMG I have built does no copying (aside from setting up a few config files in a ${HOME}/.inkscape-etc directory, similar to Gimp.app), starts quickly on the machines I have tried and is a 22MB DMG (73MB unpacked).
I'm at home so I can't post a build anywhere, but will put one up for people to try on Monday. If this works for people I am happy to build a DMG for the 0.42 release, and contribute a build script to CVS once I have the whole process scripted.
Cheers, Michael
Man, you rock so much! Now, post gut-reaction: I'm going to check this out and get back to you with feedback.
What do you need tested specifically. I have an iMac G5 at my disposal with all the OS updated now...
So cool...you made my day!
Jon
On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 14:53 +1000, Michael Wybrow wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
I'm curious as to the state of the MAC OS X DMG of Inkscape? I would like to make the push to get a working Mac DMG of Inkscape out as part of 0.42.
Anyhow, I see the wiki page on Compiling OS X is quite full of a lot of comments, but no clear answer to the OS X package.
I've succesfully made a DMG compiled from yesterday's CVS HEAD. It's a hybrid of bits from Kee's `osx-app.sh' script, the current Gimp.app and the icons from M-Rick's DMG posted on the wiki. I've tested it on several 10.3.x machines *without* fink installed, and will try it on a 10.4.1 machine tomorrow evening.
M-Rick did post a DMG on the wiki page but it seems to have a few problems. It apparently starts incredibly slowly for some people, has some hacks that copy files into or set up links within /sw where some of the files/libraries seem to be expected. Also it is a 60+MB DMG and 280MB unpacked. I haven't really looked into any of these issues, but judging from the comments on the wiki page and brief look at the DMG the size may be due to extra libraries unecessarily included, and the start times due to the directory/copying hackery.
The DMG I have built does no copying (aside from setting up a few config files in a ${HOME}/.inkscape-etc directory, similar to Gimp.app), starts quickly on the machines I have tried and is a 22MB DMG (73MB unpacked).
I'm at home so I can't post a build anywhere, but will put one up for people to try on Monday. If this works for people I am happy to build a DMG for the 0.42 release, and contribute a build script to CVS once I have the whole process scripted.
Cheers, Michael
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Oh, also, can you make it available from a URL please so myself and others can test it out.
Thanks, Jon
On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 14:53 +1000, Michael Wybrow wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
I'm curious as to the state of the MAC OS X DMG of Inkscape? I would like to make the push to get a working Mac DMG of Inkscape out as part of 0.42.
Anyhow, I see the wiki page on Compiling OS X is quite full of a lot of comments, but no clear answer to the OS X package.
I've succesfully made a DMG compiled from yesterday's CVS HEAD. It's a hybrid of bits from Kee's `osx-app.sh' script, the current Gimp.app and the icons from M-Rick's DMG posted on the wiki. I've tested it on several 10.3.x machines *without* fink installed, and will try it on a 10.4.1 machine tomorrow evening.
M-Rick did post a DMG on the wiki page but it seems to have a few problems. It apparently starts incredibly slowly for some people, has some hacks that copy files into or set up links within /sw where some of the files/libraries seem to be expected. Also it is a 60+MB DMG and 280MB unpacked. I haven't really looked into any of these issues, but judging from the comments on the wiki page and brief look at the DMG the size may be due to extra libraries unecessarily included, and the start times due to the directory/copying hackery.
The DMG I have built does no copying (aside from setting up a few config files in a ${HOME}/.inkscape-etc directory, similar to Gimp.app), starts quickly on the machines I have tried and is a 22MB DMG (73MB unpacked).
I'm at home so I can't post a build anywhere, but will put one up for people to try on Monday. If this works for people I am happy to build a DMG for the 0.42 release, and contribute a build script to CVS once I have the whole process scripted.
Cheers, Michael
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
Oh, also, can you make it available from a URL please so myself and others can test it out.
Ok, so I got a chance to test the DMG package on a Tiger (10.4.1) machine last night and it seemed to work fine. It did take maybe 40 seconds to start the very first time I loaded it. But maybe this was some kind of Spotlight indexing since it started up in maybe 2--4 seconds on every successive try, even removing the app bundle and reloading it from other locations. Not sure how to figure out what is causing this when it only happened the first time. Maybe this isn't a problem if we put a message in the accompanying documentation or get the launcher to pop up a dialog with a message about it before starting Inkscape the first time.
I've put the 22MB DMG up here for people to try out: http://desert.csse.monash.edu.au/~mwybrow/Inkscape.dmg
As stated before, this was built from CVS on Friday, but I didn't change any versioning information so it looks like 0.41. If you're on Tiger, give it a chance to start up the first time before you close it thinking something is wrong.
(The DMG is not built --with-perl or --with-python. Also, it does not use the OS-X-esque gtk theme 'Glossy P' that Gimp.app uses since it makes some of the widgets odd sizes and doesn't work well with things like the boolean (i.e. on/off) toolbar options such as the stoke-width-scaling option. I kind of get the feeling that the theme makes Inkscape look pretty and fit in better with other OS X apps at first glance but would make it harder to work with effectively. Someone could perhaps make a modified version of the theme for Inkscape at some point if enough people ask for it.)
Cheers, Michael
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 11:25 +1000, Michael Wybrow wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Jon Phillips wrote:
Oh, also, can you make it available from a URL please so myself and others can test it out.
Ok, so I got a chance to test the DMG package on a Tiger (10.4.1) machine last night and it seemed to work fine. It did take maybe 40 seconds to start the very first time I loaded it. But maybe this was some kind of Spotlight indexing since it started up in maybe 2--4 seconds on every successive try, even removing the app bundle and reloading it from other locations. Not sure how to figure out what is causing this when it only happened the first time. Maybe this isn't a problem if we put a message in the accompanying documentation or get the launcher to pop up a dialog with a message about it before starting Inkscape the first time.
Yeah, I just test on Tiger and this is quite strange. The first time it took 30-40 seconds and then afterwards is about 2-4 seconds for Inkscape to start (yeah!!!). Yeah, I don't think adding a custom dialog is necessary, but a note saying that this is known. Would probably be better to track down why this is happening.
I've put the 22MB DMG up here for people to try out: http://desert.csse.monash.edu.au/~mwybrow/Inkscape.dmg
As stated before, this was built from CVS on Friday, but I didn't change any versioning information so it looks like 0.41. If you're on Tiger, give it a chance to start up the first time before you close it thinking something is wrong.
(The DMG is not built --with-perl or --with-python.
Well, we should test these options, as perl and python appear to be installed by default on MAC OS X 10.4 (tiger), but I'm not sure if they are in previous versions, but kind of assume so.
What do you think? It would be great to release on OS X with extensions support.
Also, it does not use the OS-X-esque gtk theme 'Glossy P' that Gimp.app uses since it makes some of the widgets odd sizes and doesn't work well with things like the boolean (i.e. on/off) toolbar options such as the stoke-width-scaling option. I kind of get the feeling that the theme makes Inkscape look pretty and fit in better with other OS X apps at first glance but would make it harder to work with effectively. Someone could perhaps make a modified version of the theme for Inkscape at some point if enough people ask for it.)
I agree, use the standard GTK theme rather than the Glossy P. But maybe we should look at how this theme looks and see if there are any subtle tweaks we could make to our UI that would make it work or vice-versa. Mac users are into their aqua themes ;) But shouldn't it be brushed metal now?
You are majorly cool for knocking out this installer.
Jon
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Jon Phillips wrote:
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 11:25 +1000, Michael Wybrow wrote:
(The DMG is not built --with-perl or --with-python.
Well, we should test these options, as perl and python appear to be installed by default on MAC OS X 10.4 (tiger), but I'm not sure if they are in previous versions, but kind of assume so.
What do you think? It would be great to release on OS X with extensions support.
How you define "extension support"? Most of the extensions I am aware of are external scripts and programs that do not make use of the embedded interpreters. Other prople probably know better, but I didn't think the embeded interpreters were used for much of anything quite yet.
Aaron Spike
On Jun 19, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Michael Wybrow wrote:
(The DMG is not built --with-perl or --with-python. Also, it does not use the OS-X-esque gtk theme 'Glossy P' that Gimp.app uses since it makes some of the widgets odd sizes and doesn't work well with things like the boolean (i.e. on/off) toolbar options such as the stoke-width-scaling option. I kind of get the feeling that the theme makes Inkscape look pretty and fit in better with other OS X apps at first glance but would make it harder to work with effectively. Someone could perhaps make a modified version of the theme for Inkscape at some point if enough people ask for it.)
Well, I'm on a G5 now, and since work has settled down a bit I'll have time to do more again.
That DMG was quite happy on my box, and interestingly enough, did not have an initial startup delay.
I'm wondering if that's due to me having Fink installed.
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