0.92 release status
Here's an update on where we are in getting the release out.
1. Windows packaging seems to be shaping up well. Packages for 0.91pre1 are posted to the website. Hopefully we'll see 0.92pre2 packages soon.
OSX still appears in need of volunteers to get packaging sorted. It looks like we may be forced to omit this from our release announcement plans, but let's give it a few more days. If anyone is working on or plans to work on OSX packages, please contact me ASAP.
2. DPI Scaling bug #1389723 - We still need someone to work on this bug; there have not been new comments.
*** We still need someone to adopt this issue and run it to ground.
3. Disable unstable features, bug #1589340 - I pushed the MESH option fix. suv's summarized the remaining bits needing done and this looks straightforward to get finished.
4. Fonts not shown in font manager (Win32), bug #1416674 - This is now dropped as a release blocker. It still needs added to the release notes.
5. About screen - Work is under way here; hopefully this can get taken care of quickly.
6. Release Notes - Apart from perhaps adding a few more known issues, we are probably at a point we can consider the Notes complete. This would be a good point to start translating them (or to bring existing translations up to date.)
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.92
7. New snapshot. I've posted source packages for 0.92pre2; there were a few little hitches but nothing major, and nothing that looks like it would impact finalizing 0.92.0.
A few more notes I forgot to mention last night, down below...
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:03:44AM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Here's an update on where we are in getting the release out.
Windows packaging seems to be shaping up well. Packages for 0.91pre1 are posted to the website. Hopefully we'll see 0.92pre2 packages soon.
OSX still appears in need of volunteers to get packaging sorted. It looks like we may be forced to omit this from our release announcement plans, but let's give it a few more days. If anyone is working on or plans to work on OSX packages, please contact me ASAP.
DPI Scaling bug #1389723 - We still need someone to work on this bug; there have not been new comments.
*** We still need someone to adopt this issue and run it to ground.
Disable unstable features, bug #1589340 - I pushed the MESH option fix. suv's summarized the remaining bits needing done and this looks straightforward to get finished.
Fonts not shown in font manager (Win32), bug #1416674 - This is now dropped as a release blocker. It still needs added to the release notes.
About screen - Work is under way here; hopefully this can get taken care of quickly.
Release Notes - Apart from perhaps adding a few more known issues, we are probably at a point we can consider the Notes complete. This would be a good point to start translating them (or to bring existing translations up to date.)
New snapshot. I've posted source packages for 0.92pre2; there were a few little hitches but nothing major, and nothing that looks like it would impact finalizing 0.92.0.
8. Translations. I'm impressed with the progress, I know it's hard work to get done under the gun, hopefully you've all had adequate time. Please focus on wrapping up work, with a goal of finishing within let's say a week or so. If you get done and have extra time, see task #6!
9. Website Downloads page. Under the Download link, there are platform-specific pages, a Source page, and an Addons page. Those all look great, but there's also another Download page which looks to be mostly redundant, except for the section on Development Versions. I wonder if we could help people avoid confusion and make the pages less subject to get out of date, if we simplified or removed the Download page. Perhaps it could be turned into a "Development Snapshots" type page?
I notice there is quite a bit of variation on how we link to packages, in some cases there are direct download links, in others we point to a gallery, PPA, or other secondary page. The link names themselves also seem to vary quite a bit -- my worry is the user may find our download links a bit unpredictable and thus maybe frustrating. I'm not sure what approach would be best, but it would be very nice to have a standard policy here, with a strong focus on new user usability.
(The reason for the focus on the Downloads page is that we're going to get a massive spike of interest right at the point we release 0.92, so attention invested on this page right now is going to pay off in spades in a few weeks.)
10. Announcement - It's time to start drafting up press releases and organizing some outreach efforts.
Our Announcing Releases wiki page is a good resource and starting point:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Announcing_Releases
Here's the actual page that needs worked on:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning092
We've often had one formal PR, and then an informal one, but we at least must have one or the other written. It would be very helpful to cleanup the list of places to contact and remove ones that are defunct, and/or add new ones that seem more relevant currently.
Anyone who is interested in working on this kind of stuff please drop me a line, or please just go ahead and start editing in the wiki. If you only feel like doing writing, or you only feel like doing the press contacts, that's cool too.
11. Articles - Another excellent outreach is to write something yourself about Inkscape and get it published online somewhere. Some sites will even pay for good articles. These things don't need to be coordinated with the project at all, but timing it to get published during the week of the release will maximize the page hits for you, and the impact for the project.
Right now would be a good time to start writing such stories. If you do want help with review/copyediting/etc. or need help figuring out good places to publish, just ask. We should also plan on a news item on our website to link to media mentions and articles, so please don't be shy about pointing us to your article as soon as it's up.
12. Some odds and ends / janitor tasks.
+ Wiki - A number of pages marked outdated could probably be removed at this point.
+ There is a perl script packaging/mkNEWS that downloads the release notes and reformats them into plain text. I would love to see this script rewritten to Bash or Python and improved to generate better looking output.
+ When uploading packages to the website gallery, there is an option to set a thumbnail/icon image. I usually am in a hurry so don't bother. But it would be nice to have a stock icon, or a simple bash script to generate a custom SVG (and then render to PNG).
+ The Creating_Inkscape_distributions page still has directions to upload tarballs to Launchpad. For 0.92pre2 I went ahead and did this, just to be thorough, but I am wondering whether that's still necessary. If not, we should remove that from the directions.
Some of these probably can't be achieved within the near term, and so are better targeted to 0.93, but please help tackle them now if you've got the time and/or interest.
Thanks, Bryce
Am 20.10.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Bryce Harrington:
A few more notes I forgot to mention last night, down below... 9. Website Downloads page. Under the Download link, there are platform-specific pages, a Source page, and an Addons page. Those all look great, but there's also another Download page which looks to be mostly redundant, except for the section on Development Versions. I wonder if we could help people avoid confusion and make the pages less subject to get out of date, if we simplified or removed the Download page. Perhaps it could be turned into a "Development Snapshots" type page?
- Yes, that old page causes duplicate work for everyone. I've been hoping for the releases app to be ready in time, so didn't bother to change the situation.
I'm not sure here, but I think we might need to have a page in that location. The page is actually a parent of the pages below in the menu... It only *looks* as if it were a 'sibling' (bolded, though). I don't know if the cms allows to *not* have a page in that position... Never tried. I might do so this weekend, if nobody else does (or Martin just knows).
Using a new page for development snapshots is possible - or we could also just add them to their specific platform subpage.
Maybe we could modify the main download page to only contain links to the subpages, for this release? (and add that page for the devel snapshots). Would still mean two additional clicks for those who dare select it instead of their platform page...
Some odds and ends / janitor tasks.
- When uploading packages to the website gallery, there is an option to set a thumbnail/icon image. I usually am in a hurry so don't bother. But it would be nice to have a stock icon, or a simple bash script to generate a custom SVG (and then render to PNG).
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe he's still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Regards, Maren
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:19:28PM +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Am 20.10.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Bryce Harrington:
A few more notes I forgot to mention last night, down below... 9. Website Downloads page. Under the Download link, there are platform-specific pages, a Source page, and an Addons page. Those all look great, but there's also another Download page which looks to be mostly redundant, except for the section on Development Versions. I wonder if we could help people avoid confusion and make the pages less subject to get out of date, if we simplified or removed the Download page. Perhaps it could be turned into a "Development Snapshots" type page?
- Yes, that old page causes duplicate work for everyone. I've been
hoping for the releases app to be ready in time, so didn't bother to change the situation.
I'm not sure here, but I think we might need to have a page in that location. The page is actually a parent of the pages below in the menu... It only *looks* as if it were a 'sibling' (bolded, though). I don't know if the cms allows to *not* have a page in that position... Never tried. I might do so this weekend, if nobody else does (or Martin just knows).
Then maybe it should simply be the same 5 links as is in the menu, perhaps with a thumbnail or icon for the platform in question. Something clean and simple.
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
Using a new page for development snapshots is possible - or we could also just add them to their specific platform subpage.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
Maybe we could modify the main download page to only contain links to the subpages, for this release? (and add that page for the devel snapshots). Would still mean two additional clicks for those who dare select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
Some odds and ends / janitor tasks.
- When uploading packages to the website gallery, there is an option to set a thumbnail/icon image. I usually am in a hurry so don't bother. But it would be nice to have a stock icon, or a simple bash script to generate a custom SVG (and then render to PNG).
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe he's still
got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Thanks, Bryce
Regards, Maren
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On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe he's
still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_video_2016_finished.o...
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe he's
still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Videos showing new features/tools/icons/dialog boxes from the new version would be amaaazing!
I loved when the libregraphicsworld.org was updated and showed all sorts of cool videos on open source apps around the web. Like krita blender inkscape and myPaint.
On Oct 20, 2016 8:43 PM, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_ video_2016_finished.ogv?dl=0
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe he's
still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Hi CR,
The video at LGM was amazingly good. It felt really good being a part of the inkscape project and I was proud of the work we'd all done together after seeing it.
Did it ever get posted to the inkscape website? When the new one is ready, we should add it to youtube and then onto the website as an embeded video and then into news and other PR outlets.
Thanks for brining this up.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 04:41 +0100, C R wrote:
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_video_2016_fin ished.ogv?dl=0
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe
he's still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Thanks Martin! No, it was never posted, but I think it's because some of the features were (and are still) under development and have been disabled or excluded for this release. It was adequate to get folks from the conference excited and downloading our trunk versions for testing, but for a public release, I'd like to be a bit more accurate about what's new and included.
The good news about that is we can re-use most of it, so not everything needs to be re-done. Since it never got posted, the revisions will not seem like just a re-post of the original video... which saves me a lot of work during this relatively busy time of year, leading up to the holiday season. :)
I'm happy to have anyone advise features that are not in this video to include, or exclude as the case may be.
I'm also quite proud to be part of the Inkscape project, and it's the sense of community and family that motivates me to create these video works, graphics, and ui stuff.
I'm happy that it shows in the video, and it's thanks to all of you that it does. :) Oh, also maybe we should have a special thanks portion at the end of the video for those in the project that have (and continue to) really bend over backwards to get this release out the door. I know I can think of a bunch.
Thoughts?
-C
PS- I don't want to be included on this special thanks screen. I think it should be reserved for those who contributed most to the release, and I've mainly just been a cheerleader for it thus far. :)
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:53 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Hi CR,
The video at LGM was amazingly good. It felt really good being a part of the inkscape project and I was proud of the work we'd all done together after seeing it.
Did it ever get posted to the inkscape website? When the new one is ready, we should add it to youtube and then onto the website as an embeded video and then into news and other PR outlets.
Thanks for brining this up.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 04:41 +0100, C R wrote:
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_video_2016_fin ished.ogv?dl=0
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe
he's still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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I think that the ruler and angle measurer tool are awesome (even though they were new for the 0.91 release and not the 0.92). Rotate canvas tool, panel to show all objects in file, and symbols are super cool features. Even though some of them were already released in previous versions.
On Oct 20, 2016 9:09 PM, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Thanks Martin! No, it was never posted, but I think it's because some of the features were (and are still) under development and have been disabled or excluded for this release. It was adequate to get folks from the conference excited and downloading our trunk versions for testing, but for a public release, I'd like to be a bit more accurate about what's new and included.
The good news about that is we can re-use most of it, so not everything needs to be re-done. Since it never got posted, the revisions will not seem like just a re-post of the original video... which saves me a lot of work during this relatively busy time of year, leading up to the holiday season. :)
I'm happy to have anyone advise features that are not in this video to include, or exclude as the case may be.
I'm also quite proud to be part of the Inkscape project, and it's the sense of community and family that motivates me to create these video works, graphics, and ui stuff.
I'm happy that it shows in the video, and it's thanks to all of you that it does. :) Oh, also maybe we should have a special thanks portion at the end of the video for those in the project that have (and continue to) really bend over backwards to get this release out the door. I know I can think of a bunch.
Thoughts?
-C
PS- I don't want to be included on this special thanks screen. I think it should be reserved for those who contributed most to the release, and I've mainly just been a cheerleader for it thus far. :)
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:53 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Hi CR,
The video at LGM was amazingly good. It felt really good being a part of the inkscape project and I was proud of the work we'd all done together after seeing it.
Did it ever get posted to the inkscape website? When the new one is ready, we should add it to youtube and then onto the website as an embeded video and then into news and other PR outlets.
Thanks for brining this up.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 04:41 +0100, C R wrote:
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_video_2016_fin ished.ogv?dl=0
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe
he's still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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I think it's probably okay to include 0.91 features too. I doubt people would be inclined to call it out, especially since there have been definite improvements to most of these features since the 0.91 release.
-C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...400...> wrote:
I think that the ruler and angle measurer tool are awesome (even though they were new for the 0.91 release and not the 0.92). Rotate canvas tool, panel to show all objects in file, and symbols are super cool features. Even though some of them were already released in previous versions.
On Oct 20, 2016 9:09 PM, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Thanks Martin! No, it was never posted, but I think it's because some of the features were (and are still) under development and have been disabled or excluded for this release. It was adequate to get folks from the conference excited and downloading our trunk versions for testing, but for a public release, I'd like to be a bit more accurate about what's new and included.
The good news about that is we can re-use most of it, so not everything needs to be re-done. Since it never got posted, the revisions will not seem like just a re-post of the original video... which saves me a lot of work during this relatively busy time of year, leading up to the holiday season. :)
I'm happy to have anyone advise features that are not in this video to include, or exclude as the case may be.
I'm also quite proud to be part of the Inkscape project, and it's the sense of community and family that motivates me to create these video works, graphics, and ui stuff.
I'm happy that it shows in the video, and it's thanks to all of you that it does. :) Oh, also maybe we should have a special thanks portion at the end of the video for those in the project that have (and continue to) really bend over backwards to get this release out the door. I know I can think of a bunch.
Thoughts?
-C
PS- I don't want to be included on this special thanks screen. I think it should be reserved for those who contributed most to the release, and I've mainly just been a cheerleader for it thus far. :)
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:53 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Hi CR,
The video at LGM was amazingly good. It felt really good being a part of the inkscape project and I was proud of the work we'd all done together after seeing it.
Did it ever get posted to the inkscape website? When the new one is ready, we should add it to youtube and then onto the website as an embeded video and then into news and other PR outlets.
Thanks for brining this up.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 04:41 +0100, C R wrote:
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_video_2016_fin ished.ogv?dl=0
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
> > select it instead of their platform page... Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
> > - Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe > he's > still > got the file? > Here are a couple of examples: > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/ Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 05:08:06AM +0100, C R wrote:
Thanks Martin! No, it was never posted, but I think it's because some of the features were (and are still) under development and have been disabled or excluded for this release. It was adequate to get folks from the conference excited and downloading our trunk versions for testing, but for a public release, I'd like to be a bit more accurate about what's new and included.
Wow, that's amazing. I agree with everyone else, this'd be an excellent thing to showcase and help promote the release.
The good news about that is we can re-use most of it, so not everything needs to be re-done. Since it never got posted, the revisions will not seem like just a re-post of the original video... which saves me a lot of work during this relatively busy time of year, leading up to the holiday season. :)
I'm happy to have anyone advise features that are not in this video to include, or exclude as the case may be.
The way it showcased the features in real time was pretty stunning. The one that stuck with me the most was the on-canvas gradient editing, I suppose because it involved shiny color. The font measurement stuff was amazing too, maybe because I'm a sucker for dimensions. :-)
The new guide features went by a bit too quickly to grok what the change was. The setup part for node tool dropdown was a bit slow, but when it got to the actual feature it jumped too quickly so it's hard to see what the actual feature was.
The symbol dialog, find with mouse wheel, and paint order examples felt spot on. Live path effects as well, however I know there's been a *ton* of cool work here and wonder if this section could be expanded. Drag and drop layer ordering looked pretty slick but I didn't follow what exactly was going on.
For the new file format support, I wonder if it would be permissible to include the logos of the respective products? Differentiating between the import and exports might be worthwhile. Some of those, like visio import, I thought we had for a while? In any case, showing off new file import and export features is a great idea.
I'm also quite proud to be part of the Inkscape project, and it's the sense of community and family that motivates me to create these video works, graphics, and ui stuff.
I like how this video focuses on the product itself, and I think it is way stronger having that focus. But I do wonder if having a similar video but more focused on the people involved might be fun -- something geared more towards people who might dabble with more involvement in our community. Something that'd mention the hackfest, LGM attendance, more depth into the new website features, and details of how we've put donor's funds to use in the Books For Developers effort, and so on.
I'm happy that it shows in the video, and it's thanks to all of you that it does. :) Oh, also maybe we should have a special thanks portion at the end of the video for those in the project that have (and continue to) really bend over backwards to get this release out the door. I know I can think of a bunch.
It was very striking that the video didn't end with a credits roll, but instead used that time to give focus to the project logo and slogan. It made the whole seem simultaneously professional and accessible. It'd be fine with me either way, but do I like the tidy way you closed it.
Bryce
Thoughts?
-C
PS- I don't want to be included on this special thanks screen. I think it should be reserved for those who contributed most to the release, and I've mainly just been a cheerleader for it thus far. :)
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:53 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Hi CR,
The video at LGM was amazingly good. It felt really good being a part of the inkscape project and I was proud of the work we'd all done together after seeing it.
Did it ever get posted to the inkscape website? When the new one is ready, we should add it to youtube and then onto the website as an embeded video and then into news and other PR outlets.
Thanks for brining this up.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 04:41 +0100, C R wrote:
Regarding outeach and PR, remember, we have a video that we displayed at the LGM conference. It got a lot of applause, and a suggestion from the speaker to the audience that everyone consider doing a video next year. *^.^*
I can revise it to replace features that did not make it into the 0.93 release, and replace them with features that did make it in. For reference, the video is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67wva0mryutll7d/inkscape_lgm_video_2016_fin ished.ogv?dl=0
Other things that need replacing is the 0.91 > 0.92, and the screenshot of the website after we know what the new artwork from the about screen contest is. :)
Any updates would be helpful towards this goal.
Thanks! -C
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 14:58 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
There is a list of past releases on the releases page. But perhaps you'd like a page that shows a more robust list with descriptions and such?
https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.91/
See list of 'Versions' and 'In development', it's a fairly complete list.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
If you can force the use of the releases app, it'll force fixes and tweaks. Otherwise I fear a cms downloads page will continue to be a toxic workaround stopping us from finishing the app.
select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
I don't understand.
- Martin created some for 0.91 and the pre-releases - maybe
he's still got the file? Here are a couple of examples: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=inkscape-package/
Yeah would be nice to get that into the inkscape bzr tree, then perhaps I could make it part of the release process to make a copy with the new version number, that can then be used on all the uploads.
Makes sense, a useful image for each of these things. I'm trying to make the about page art more universal by updating different parts of the website with the art too. I'd like these icons to use the art is possible too.
So pre-about screen we'd use the standard developer/pre-release graphics.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Am 20.10.2016 um 23:58 schrieb Bryce Harrington:
Then maybe it should simply be the same 5 links as is in the menu, perhaps with a thumbnail or icon for the platform in question. Something clean and simple.
Such a page might also be a good place to have a table of past releases. For the most part those don't matter much for users, but the question of where to get them does pop up now and then so having an official listing of links to historical packages *somewhere* in the website would be nice.
Using a new page for development snapshots is possible - or we could also just add them to their specific platform subpage.
I've noticed the development snapshots often want to have additional directions or tips, which can look a bit cluttery / jargony and thus potentially a big source of confusion.
In any case, probably not worth overthinking here, especially given that there's a new releases app coming. The main thing is to keep things looking neat & tidy for the release.
Maybe we could modify the main download page to only contain links to the subpages, for this release? (and add that page for the devel snapshots). Would still mean two additional clicks for those who dare select it instead of their platform page...
Ah, yeah we had the same thought. :-)
- So I've now updated all program download pages in the downloads section:
https://inkscape.org/en/download/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/linux/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/windows/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/mac-os/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/source/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/development-versions/
Are there any important changes that should be made before I call out to translators?
Regards, Maren
On Sat, 2016-10-22 at 23:26 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
- So I've now updated all program download pages in the downloads
section:
https://inkscape.org/en/download/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/linux/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/windows/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/mac-os/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/source/ https://inkscape.org/en/download/development-versions/
Are there any important changes that should be made before I call out to translators?
Maren,
I haven't got enough data on the release app vs these cms pages yet. I'm very likely to delete all these pages ready for the 0.92 release. (80% in favour of deletion, 20% against)
If there is further data that should be considered why these pages shouldn't be deleted, this is a good time to let me know.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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