I notice in general that the tutorials in the SVN package do not correspond at all well to the current Inkscape feature set.
We don't really have a tutorial for the more complicated features (cloning, clipping, masking, blurring) and tutorial-tips.svg explicitly mentions that we don't support blur yet.
Attached is an SVG highlighting some of the effects that can be achieved using Inkscape 0.45. Perhaps something along these lines would be a useful thing to bundle?
Dan
On 1/3/07, Daniel Pope wrote:
I notice in general that the tutorials in the SVN package do not correspond at all well to the current Inkscape feature set.
We don't really have a tutorial for the more complicated features (cloning, clipping, masking, blurring) and tutorial-tips.svg explicitly mentions that we don't support blur yet.
Attached is an SVG highlighting some of the effects that can be achieved using Inkscape 0.45. Perhaps something along these lines would be a useful thing to bundle?
Daniel,
If you elaborate with step by step explanations how to achieve each of the illustrated effects, I will make a docbook/xml file out of your nice SVG.
Alexandre
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:13:31AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On 1/3/07, Daniel Pope wrote:
I notice in general that the tutorials in the SVN package do not correspond at all well to the current Inkscape feature set.
We don't really have a tutorial for the more complicated features (cloning, clipping, masking, blurring) and tutorial-tips.svg explicitly mentions that we don't support blur yet.
Attached is an SVG highlighting some of the effects that can be achieved using Inkscape 0.45. Perhaps something along these lines would be a useful thing to bundle?
Daniel,
If you elaborate with step by step explanations how to achieve each of the illustrated effects, I will make a docbook/xml file out of your nice SVG.
It'd be great to have this info for 0.45. :-)
Bryce
I'm particularly interested in knowing how he changed the blur and colors on a clone.
Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:13:31AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On 1/3/07, Daniel Pope wrote:
I notice in general that the tutorials in the SVN package do not correspond at all well to the current Inkscape feature set.
We don't really have a tutorial for the more complicated features (cloning, clipping, masking, blurring) and tutorial-tips.svg explicitly mentions that we don't support blur yet.
Attached is an SVG highlighting some of the effects that can be achieved using Inkscape 0.45. Perhaps something along these lines would be a useful thing to bundle?
Daniel,
If you elaborate with step by step explanations how to achieve each of the illustrated effects, I will make a docbook/xml file out of your nice SVG.
It'd be great to have this info for 0.45. :-)
Bryce
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Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
If you elaborate with step by step explanations how to achieve each of the illustrated effects, I will make a docbook/xml file out of your nice SVG.
You may find that annoyingly difficult. Not all of the cloned/clipped/masked stuff behaves when you move it around the page. Whether that's a bug or not, I have no idea. Specifically, the scattered transparency and the masked floor reflection for the ball can't be moved without breaking. Presumably the docbook build would munge this even further.
Even then, the descriptions of the various effects would be too complicated for users. Flowcharts would be easier to understand.
Dan
On 1/2/07, Daniel Pope <mauve@...1559...> wrote:
You may find that annoyingly difficult. Not all of the cloned/clipped/masked stuff behaves when you move it around the page. Whether that's a bug or not, I have no idea.
Don't shrug it off - discuss it :) In general, any behavior which breaks your intuitive expectations is a bug, by definition. The only exceptions are (1) where your intuitive expectations are wrong :) most often by failing to take into account the larger picture, and (2) where the unintuitive behavior is prescribed by SVG and thus cannot be changed. I don't think any of these applies here.
Specifically, the scattered transparency and the masked floor reflection for the ball can't be moved without breaking. Presumably the docbook build would munge this even further.
You can fix most of such problems by grouping the objects and moving the group. Groups are much more robust. Also, if you create a minimal file which exhibits this and submit it with a bug report, it would be appreciated. As for docbook processing, it does not munge anything, just moves the SVG illustrations down the page as appropriate.
Even then, the descriptions of the various effects would be too complicated for users. Flowcharts would be easier to understand.
Well, if you submit your tutorial as SVG, it would be useful too, and can be just as well linked from the Help menu. The only problems will be with maintaining your file and translating it into other languages - but if you use minimum of text it won't be that bad. (I wrote my tutorials in wordy docbooks because I like to explain every detail verbally, but there exist other approaches to teaching.)
"bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...> writes:
On 1/2/07, Daniel Pope <mauve@...1559...> wrote:
Even then, the descriptions of the various effects would be too complicated for users. Flowcharts would be easier to understand.
Well, if you submit your tutorial as SVG, it would be useful too, and can be just as well linked from the Help menu. The only problems will be with maintaining your file and translating it into other languages
- but if you use minimum of text it won't be that bad.
If we use xml2po then that's not a problem, it handles SVG files just fine.
Cheers Colin
Daniel Pope wrote:
Even then, the descriptions of the various effects would be too complicated for users. Flowcharts would be easier to understand.
As I thought: easier, but still complicated. See attached.
I don't think it can be made any simpler than this because these are the step-by-step operations. The complexity of the diagrams is equivalent to the complexity of the document structure.
Incidentally this now crashes for me reproducibly when I try to change the document height.
Dan
On 1/3/07, Daniel Pope wrote:
I don't think it can be made any simpler than this because these are the step-by-step operations. The complexity of the diagrams is equivalent to the complexity of the document structure.
Incidentally this now crashes for me reproducibly when I try to change the document height.
Daniel,
I don't really see what makes it impossible to translate flowcharts into text. Noone ever said tutorials should have flat sequential textual structure ;-)
Alexandre
On 1/2/07, Daniel Pope <mauve@...1559...> wrote:
As I thought: easier, but still complicated. See attached.
Very nice and instructive flowcharts, thanks! Perhaps it's worthwhile to break them into separate files, and creating a submenu in Help for such short visual tutorials. Another one for that submenu would be my "rope" tutorial (http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.45-3D-rope.png)
Incidentally this now crashes for me reproducibly when I try to change the document height.
Doesn't crash for me, but please submit this as a bug with backtrace and steps to reproduce.
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