On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 23:16 +0100, David Christian Berg wrote: oops, sorry: http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~dcb/gradient.png

Hey Bulia! [...] hmm, I didn't save, since I was just playing around... let me try to reproduce... Wow, it's harder than I thought it would be... it's http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~dcb/gradient.svg [...] [...] I'm sorry, I can't commit that much (even though it's not all that much work)... My problem is that I actually do the things I said I would do. And I'm really busy with students government and ESTIEM design coordination as well as studying (it's exams period over here in Germany). So I just am working on icons and stuff when I really don't feel like doing anything else... for relaxing basically. K, for now there aren't all that many themes... two maybe :) so it shouldn't be any trouble at all, still, right now I really don't want to commit myself that much. Sorry again. Hope someone has the time to work on this. David

Hey guys, esp. Bulia! when you assign a gradient to the stroke and the fill, the gradient-selection in the gradient-toolbar will not work anymore. The gradient-selection should always show the gradient of the toggled button, either stroke or fill. when you click on the nodes of a gradient, with the tool, it should also toggle between fill and stroke, depending on what gradient you just clicked on canvas. Furthermore I think that the gradient-tool should exclusively edit gradients and no nodes and that node editing should not edit gradients... but I guess that's planned anyways, ain't it? I'm really glad to see this progress... with the introduction of a palette the fill and stroke dialog will soon be obsolete :) Take care! David

Hi Bulia, great job on making the gradient editor happen. Few notes on the interface. David was faster than me expressing pretty much my thoughts. * Gradient editing in other tools. As David suggested, adding the gradient editing capability to tools like node editing adds unnecessary visual clutter and has gotten in my way a couple of times. Since tool toggling is pretty much instant with shortcuts, having gradient editing in an exclusive tool makes absolute sense to me. Gradient editing in other tools feels very redundant. Adding stuff somewhere because you can, doesn't lead to a nice interface. * Stroke/Fill separation. Coming from Illustrator, one would think I don't give a damn about having gradients on strokes and especially having both fill and stroke using different gradients. Well I have grown to love that possibility and use it a lot. Also there is now no indication which vector is for the stroke gradient and which for fill. Initially I was going to propose only having different color for these. However, a different approach could solve the problem of not being able to use different gradients on fill/stroke with the current UI. The tool would actually work in the two modes and not edit both at the same time. Advantages: * gradient selector per mode - possible to select different * clearer canvas - you can get a lot better picture of what you're editing The disadvantage you may see is not being able to lock both and define the vector for both at the same time, but I would consider having the need for absolute precision in this case a much more rare case than wanting to have a different gradient on both stroke and fill. I still suggest using different color for the handles so it gives better feedback on what you're editing. * Linear/radial toggle. Having this affect only a newly defined gradient feels rather unnatural to me. I would think a toolbar click of the type button would immediately affect the canvas. Keep up the great work! cheers -- Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...> Novell, Inc.

Mahlzeit! Now, _I_ think that it's even rarer a use case to assign the _same_ gradient to fill and stroke, while might be a common use case to assign the same gradient for stroke as well as the same gradient for fill to multiple objects. So as I said, I'd still go with showing either stroke of fill gradient in the list, depending on what is toggled. When multiple objects are selected, the gradient list will show multiple, when there are different fill gradients respectively different stroke gradients -- that'd be how I expect it to work... Furthermore, when I click one specific gradient on canvas it should be _selected_ in some way and I can chose a different gradient for it. Hmmm, that is something else, that surprised me... why is it a "new" button? If I have a linar gradient assigned, I should be able to toggle it to radial just like in the fill-and-stroke dialogue imho. Maybe this fill dialog might even be expanded to have all the features of the fill and stroke dialogue... I still have to think about it though, cause I'm not 100% sure, how to differentiate between fill and stroke in the toolbar. The harm is that you sometimes have a huge number of nodes on canvas which is confusing. It's nice to have it in the prefs, but for some reason the gradient tool will always show the nodes for rectangle editing. Take care! David