So... we're releasing 0.43 with menus.xml, or has it been removed?
-mental
mental@...3... wrote:
So... we're releasing 0.43 with menus.xml, or has it been removed?
It's still there, but I think we should remove it for now... I have some code I'm working on that will pull all types of resources/customizations possible (icons, themes, templates, markers, menus, etc) from the home dir. One difference in the way it will function though will be that it won't generate that menus.xml automatically but will read it and let it override defaults if it exists.
Part of my reasoning for removing it now though is that it would generate menus.xml with this release, and then users would be in bad shape come next release (since in next release it will prefer that one to the defaults).
A Q that ties into this is will we ever be able to have a "customize" mode? The only reference I have would be MS Office, and how you can go to Customize and then can drag & drop to reorder/move menus and icons. I just think it's the only way most 'lay' users would ever customize the menus.
-Josh
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mental@...3... wrote:
So... we're releasing 0.43 with menus.xml, or has it been removed?
Sorry, I totally messed up on this.
I currently have a patch to where the menus.xml file doesn't get saved. Which means that, for most people, they'll never have one exist. I see the advantage of having the ability to put one there for discussion, but I don't think that this will be a common use case for users of Inkscape. So, I'm recommending that as a final solution.
I was doing lots of other more elegant stuff, but I think that this is actually better in the end.
Comments?
--Ted
PS - I'll prepare it as a patch and put it in the tracker tonight.
Quoting Ted Gould <ted@...11...>:
I currently have a patch to where the menus.xml file doesn't get saved.
I was doing lots of other more elegant stuff, but I think that this is actually better in the end.
Comments?
I think it's likely the best solution, and is in line with menus.xml's original purpose.
PS - I'll prepare it as a patch and put it in the tracker tonight.
OK. Release wardens, please don't let the release go forward without this patch being merged.
-mental
Does this then means I have my print direct back ? (using win32)
Adib. --- mental@...3... schrieb:
Quoting Ted Gould <ted@...11...>:
I currently have a patch to where the menus.xml file doesn't get saved.
I was doing lots of other more elegant stuff, but I think that this is actually better in the end.
Comments?
I think it's likely the best solution, and is in line with menus.xml's original purpose.
PS - I'll prepare it as a patch and put it in the tracker tonight.
OK. Release wardens, please don't let the release go forward without this patch being merged.
-mental
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 23:55 +0200, Adib Taraben wrote:
Does this then means I have my print direct back ? (using win32)
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1292645&gr...
--Ted
Hi,
Speaking of menus... here is a copy of a message that was sent by mistake as private mail instead of to the list:
Will the default menus be changed to those proposed by Joshua Blocher? The arrangement that he proposed is better than the current one. The only comments I have are:
1. I don't like the path "boolean operators" buried in a submenu. (And the term "boolean" is not quite appropriate, I think.) The "offsets" would be a better choice to put in a submenu.
2. "Effects" might be better than "Scripts". As pointed out by Ted Gould, some of the effects are programmed in C++. Speaking of "Effects", is there a way to put in the Notification region a short description of each entry in the this menu?
Tav
Hi,
I'm having trouble checking out the inkscape source using the command :
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape
checkout inkscape
Result : cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to cvs.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.207):2401 failed: Connection timed out
I can access http://cvs.sourceforge.net
BR, Pierre
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 12:44:53PM +0200, Pierre Boulenguez wrote:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape \ checkout inkscape
Result : cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to cvs.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.207):2401 failed: Connection timed out
That command looks correct. I can only suggest trying again. Sometimes the server does get busy.
pjrm.
Pierre Boulenguez wrote:
Actually, I think the problem is due to the use of a firewall in my compagny. Is there a way to access to the CVS server on another IP port ?
Pierre
Peter Moulder a écrit :
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 12:44:53PM +0200, Pierre Boulenguez wrote:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape \ checkout inkscape
Result : cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to cvs.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.207):2401 failed: Connection timed out
That command looks correct. I can only suggest trying again. Sometimes the server does get busy.
pjrm.
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Yes, they do have alternate access for us firewall-cursed people:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=29894&group_id=1#con...
Bob
Checking out works by setting a different IP port, for example IP 443 :
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@...54...:443/cvsroot/inkscape checkout inkscape
Maybe this hint could be added to the inkscape webpage related to CVS.
Pierre
Pierre Boulenguez a écrit :
Actually, I think the problem is due to the use of a firewall in my compagny. Is there a way to access to the CVS server on another IP port ?
Pierre
Peter Moulder a écrit :
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 12:44:53PM +0200, Pierre Boulenguez wrote:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@...54...:/cvsroot/inkscape \ checkout inkscape
Result : cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to cvs.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.207):2401 failed: Connection timed out
That command looks correct. I can only suggest trying again. Sometimes the server does get busy.
pjrm.
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On 9/16/05, Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
Will the default menus be changed to those proposed by Joshua Blocher? The arrangement that he proposed is better than the current one.
I always meant to review that menu proposal but didn't have time. Where can I see it again? Or, if others are in favor, maybe we can just commit it and then I will propose my changes if necessary?
Attached
On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 13:25 -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 9/16/05, Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
Will the default menus be changed to those proposed by Joshua Blocher? The arrangement that he proposed is better than the current one.
I always meant to review that menu proposal but didn't have time. Where can I see it again? Or, if others are in favor, maybe we can just commit it and then I will propose my changes if necessary?
On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 12:06 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
Will the default menus be changed to those proposed by Joshua Blocher? The arrangement that he proposed is better than the current one. The only comments I have are:
- I don't like the path "boolean operators" buried in a submenu. (And
the term "boolean" is not quite appropriate, I think.) The "offsets" would be a better choice to put in a submenu.
Personally, I'm not too picky about the menus, but it seemed that the discussion pretty much stopped after he posted that. I don't know if that means that his suggestions were perfect or fundamentally flawed. Perhaps reposting your update of what you'd like to see would be best. Move the boolean submenu! Feel liberated! :)
- "Effects" might be better than "Scripts". As pointed out by Ted
Gould, some of the effects are programmed in C++. Speaking of "Effects", is there a way to put in the Notification region a short description of each entry in the this menu?
I do prefer effects. I've also been toying with the word "Transformers" as I don't think anyone else is using that. But, it isn't very sexy :)
Submit an RFE on the notification region stuff. I won't get to it for 0.43, but I think it is a good idea for the future.
--Ted
On 9/16/05, Ted Gould <ted@...11...> wrote:
On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 12:06 +0200, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
"Effects", is there a way to put in the Notification region a short
You mean the status bar?
-- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org
The name Boolean operators is questionable but i think that they should be in the own sub menu most defiantly or their own menu. Renaming effects to scripts makes sense to me, regardless of language they are wrote in they still preform a set of predetermined actions. scripts is a fairly universally understood to mean exactly that. gimp has script-fu so it is not that far a leap to have users think the same about scripts in inkscape.
joshua blocher
Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> writes:
Will the default menus be changed to those proposed by Joshua Blocher? The arrangement that he proposed is better than the current one.
Let me go astray even further here...
I find that it's very much redundant that the Layer menu has the term "layer" in *every* item. It could go away in most of the cases. Would it be worth to create a patch?
Cheers, Colin
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Colin Marquardt wrote:
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:48:57 +0200 From: Colin Marquardt <colin@...384...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Term "Layer" redundant in Layer menu (was: menus.xml)
Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> writes:
Will the default menus be changed to those proposed by Joshua Blocher? The arrangement that he proposed is better than the current one.
Let me go astray even further here...
I find that it's very much redundant that the Layer menu has the term "layer" in *every* item. It could go away in most of the cases. Would it be worth to create a patch?
I brought this up before but didn't get around to doing anything about it. Done properly I don't see why anyone would object. I'm fairly sure you could find something in the Gnome HIG or styled telling you not to repeat yourself redundantly repeat yourself. But dont quote me on that.
Competative analysis of other products will also give you ideas for more succint menu lables.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 15:19 -0400, mental@...3... wrote:
Quoting Ted Gould <ted@...11...>:
PS - I'll prepare it as a patch and put it in the tracker tonight.
OK. Release wardens, please don't let the release go forward without this patch being merged.
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1292636&gr...
--Ted
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