also. While I'm all for feedback, in the end there are decisions that need to be made and not all of us are going to agree with those decisions Jasper, however you're more than welcome to see some of the progress on mockups here...

1. Home page - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41698/mockup-home_1.0.png 2. About - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41698/mockup-about_1.1.png 3. Features - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41698/mockup-features_1.2.png -

and the start of the website here.... http://djink.chrismorgan.info/ this is the start of the website it is nowhere near done but we're making good progress. I'm here to field any other questions as well. thanks, Ian Caldwell "Inc" On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...400...> wrote:

yes we do and it's duckgoesoink.... as for the video documentation there may be tutorials on the website in the future that may be video based, this is more or less a promo video showing people using it in their every day lives whether it be jobs for just for fun. Thanks, Ian

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:

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On 12/24/10, Ian Caldwell wrote:

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  - Here's an example of where the video would go (
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41698/mockup-about_1.1.png)

Does it mean there is a "winner" of the website design "contest"?

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

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sounds good to me!

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Hinerangi Courtenay < duckgoesoink@...400...> wrote:

On Dec 24, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Ian Caldwell wrote:

1. We need someone to develop a good quality video for our about page

it'll be a brief overview of inkscape and will hopefully be less than 2-3 minutes. - It would be great to include a couple brief interviews of prominent companies that us inkscape for their everyday work. If you're able to submit interviews in video format to add to the video it would be great too! It will essentially be a promo video - Here's an example of where the video would go ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41698/mockup-about_1.1.png)

I was thinking more like 1 minute - you know like a captivating overview that supported the text in a visual way and made people want to use the software - which briefly showed what inkscape is, what it looks like and how it's used. A short voice-over + sub-title summing up what Inkscape is, cc background music, 3-5 second shots of inkscape on different OSs, close-ups of a few important features in use, a time-lapse of someone making art...

I was thinking more detailed videos (like interviews etc.) could go in other more appropriate sections of the site - with a transcription/text article equivalent on each page.

Maybe dumb but...don't want to freak people out when they just want to know what it is (it's an overview page after all - what I imagined people would get if they click the Learn More button as on the home page design).

Feel free to shoot me down...

Cheers Duckgoesoink

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The one tiny error:

In 'Language' dropdown box there 'Россия' for Russian language. It must be 'Русский' instead. Россия is a country name. Don't know - maybe that's Django bug..No matter.

Overall - great design! Cheers.

On Dec 24, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Chris Morgan wrote:

Yes, yes, YES! Very well summed up; that's precisely what we need. More videos can be spread throughout in overviews of various sections. I'm even thinking it could be nice if the "features" boxes were just screenshots, but when you click on them they animate, silent little movies demonstrating the feature, maybe even make the sub-features there expand when clicked on to show a screenshot-video in similar style (naturally with instructions and visual cues). I think video can be used to great effect in promoting Inkscape.

Got to be careful with this though, do we really want videos littering the whole website? For example, perhaps the mini-screenshots on the features page could work as clickable screencasts, but I don't think there would be a need to have one for each feature listed on the page (potentially cumbersome). Also, do you mean something like on this page for the mini-movies? http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/features/

Although I believe video is a useful communication tool, it's all too easy to recklessly abuse the medium. A few well-placed, well-made videos can enhance content, but lots of half-pie videos all over the place might actually diminish it. Quality is better than quantity...

Cheers, and happy holidays! Hinerangi Courtenay (duckgoesoink)

Martin,

Hello,

Firstly; I love the design, very nice.

Thanks Chris and Ian did a ton of work on that.

I wanted to make a comment about the text shown in the mockup there.

Please do, all comments are welcome.

This part:

"which runs on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux"

Quite besides putting your fellow FOSS project last in a list of supported operating systems, especially since many distros package and release Inkscape ready to install and windows and macosx don't.

I see your point I will change that to mention GNU/Linux Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu. First see what people say. I am working on some images and openid login. To use to make it work across the site.

But worse is the confusion of "Linux". Does this sentence mean that Inkscape will work on Android? Will it work on my TiVo or my Home brew Wii? It is nonsense to claim to run on Linux when linux is a kernel which can't run Inkscape in most cases.

Hmm Android that would be nice! Maybe iPod, iPad how nice would that be? XCode and sdk sparks will be fling.

TiVo, HomeBrew, not sure we would really go in that direction.

It would be more clear and honest to say "which runs on Gnome/Linux" or "FreeDesktop Linux" or just "Fedora, Debian and other awesome Free Desktops".

Yes very good suggestions will work on that.

And if you're of the opinion that Android and such aren't marketed as Linux and there for won't be confusing. Think about the way Ubuntu isn't marketed as Linux either (because it isn't true and because it's not helpful to scare away new users), will we have "which runs on Linux and Ubuntu" to account for that?

Yes Android is usually listed as "Android" but it is Linux core on Java C++ framework.

The lack of consideration that Linux distros are given by the Inkscape

This will be remedied sorry about the confusion.

website is currently frustrating. The install for Windows and Mac is

The install for Mac and windows is easy in most situations.

easy, but we don't have a single deb, apt link, or ppa and instead ask

We will make sure the nightly builds are listed from the nightly PPA.

also most distro add the new version pretty fast. Ubuntu in conjunction with Launchpad is the fastest in the GNU/Linux distros. We have new versions on SourceForge for Macs and Windows as they come available.

users to compile. Please consider rectifying and please start with the text on the front page.

Will do thank you for the comments. Please give more when you see something that need fixing.

Best regards, Martin Owens

Regards, Leo Jackson

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback on the design. :-)

Concerning the text included:

It's important to note that when I made the mockups I filled them with some example text to show contextually the kind of content which might be placed in any certain area. This content will need to be finalized When I wrote "which runs on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux", I was assuming that the website might attract users who:

1. were completely new to Inkscape and perhaps to FOSS in general. 2. were running operating systems that _don't_ package and release Inkscape ready for installation. Windows and Mac OS X are two very well known systems that normal people might recognize, even if they "suck at computers". 3. if they were running a Linux distribution they would probably know that (I was an Ubuntu user - even they know Ubuntu is a Linux distribution - not total idiots :-) ) 4. if running a Linux distribution might not necessarily go to the website to get Inkscape (what with command lines, package managers, etc).

But I agree that it needs to be changed - it's inaccurate as stands.

I too think that there needs to be some serious consideration given to "Linux users" on how to install Inkscape - there are so many ways to get it depending on which distro people run, that it would be useful to have that information available on the website. Packaged .deb and .rpm files would be even better...

As for Android being a Linux distro or not, as far as I'm aware it is never marketed as such. I assume many home entertainment devices exist that run on Linux distros, but most normal people probably won't even know/care/try to install Inkscape on them.

So, as stated earlier, all text on the mockups (and hence included into html/css prototypes) was initially created as contextual example text - to be refined/replaced/whatever. Design without content is decoration. If anyone is willing to help out on the copywriting side of things that would be fantastic! Then maybe we can avoid me writing silly filler content to design for.

Cheers, duckgoesoink

On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Martin Owens wrote:

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 18:41 -0800, Ian Caldwell wrote:

...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41698/mockup-about_1.1.png)

Firstly; I love the design, very nice.

I wanted to make a comment about the text shown in the mockup there. This part:

"which runs on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux"

Quite besides putting your fellow FOSS project last in a list of supported operating systems, especially since many distros package and release Inkscape ready to install and windows and macosx don't.

But worse is the confusion of "Linux". Does this sentence mean that Inkscape will work on Android? Will it work on my TiVo or my Home brew Wii? It is nonsense to claim to run on Linux when linux is a kernel which can't run Inkscape in most cases.

It would be more clear and honest to say "which runs on Gnome/Linux" or "FreeDesktop Linux" or just "Fedora, Debian and other awesome Free Desktops".

And if you're of the opinion that Android and such aren't marketed as Linux and there for won't be confusing. Think about the way Ubuntu isn't marketed as Linux either (because it isn't true and because it's not helpful to scare away new users), will we have "which runs on Linux and Ubuntu" to account for that?

The lack of consideration that Linux distros are given by the Inkscape website is currently frustrating. The install for Windows and Mac is easy, but we don't have a single deb, apt link, or ppa and instead ask users to compile. Please consider rectifying and please start with the text on the front page.

Best regards, Martin Owens