proposal: we should move share/clipart into its own CVS module.
It's not part of the build or distribution trees, and the extra updates are a pain for those of us on dialup who are just trying to work on the codebase.
-mental
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, MenTaLguY wrote:
proposal: we should move share/clipart into its own CVS module.
It's not part of the build or distribution trees, and the extra updates are a pain for those of us on dialup who are just trying to work on the codebase.
Agreed, however there are several issues which indicate that in the near term it is useful to have it in the main repository:
* We want the clipart to be easily installed into /usr/share/inkscape but we do not yet have an approach/script for doing this on a per-module basis, whereas we can handle it with the standard Inkscape installation process currently. I don't think this installation script will be difficult to come up with, but it'll need to be very easy to set up and work cross-platform.
* Currently clipart is not coming in at a rapid rate. I don't expect the volume to increase rapidly, but if it does, since it has to be committed by a project member it can be easily redirected to separate locations.
* The required space of all the clipart files contributed so far totals only 200k. Compare this with 300k for the about.svg file and 258k for tutorial.svg.
* While some artists will find CVS a useful way to organize their contributions, a sizeable number will not, so long term I think we need a non-CVS solution to this.
So, I figured that putting the clipart in a separate repository would save only a modest amount of bandwidth, but would prevent us from being able to install the clipart in the short term, and wouldn't serve all artists needs in the long term. I think that it is important that we ensure the clipart is installed, to demonstrate that we're embracing this type of contribution. But I also agree that we need a well thought-out long term solution, because if it grows as we hope it will, it will become inconvenient to have in the codebase.
Bryce
Hi, please, you shouldn't focus on gallery or clipart repository for this software in my opinion, a common opensource repository for all programs should be created, something like creative commons. Instead, I would go for a templates repository for inkscape: cd case vhs case magazine cover lan party banner . . . So a newbie can open it with inkscape, with comments in the regions like: Title goes here. The help tags would have the no print property.
I also have a feature request: Clone tool. Is it possible with svg? I make an object, clone it (like duplicating) When I change the parent object, all children objects transform into the same object. Yours: Nestor ps: I am preparing a couple of templates, will you have a Template Repository soon? Can you make inkscape to recognize templates so you are asked to save as under other name instead of modifing the template? (i.e. svt scalable vectors template)
El Martes 17 Febrero 2004 05:37, Bryce Harrington escribió:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, MenTaLguY wrote:
proposal: we should move share/clipart into its own CVS module.
It's not part of the build or distribution trees, and the extra updates are a pain for those of us on dialup who are just trying to work on the codebase.
Agreed, however there are several issues which indicate that in the near term it is useful to have it in the main repository:
We want the clipart to be easily installed into /usr/share/inkscape but we do not yet have an approach/script for doing this on a per-module basis, whereas we can handle it with the standard Inkscape installation process currently. I don't think this installation script will be difficult to come up with, but it'll need to be very easy to set up and work cross-platform.
Currently clipart is not coming in at a rapid rate. I don't expect the volume to increase rapidly, but if it does, since it has to be committed by a project member it can be easily redirected to separate locations.
The required space of all the clipart files contributed so far totals only 200k. Compare this with 300k for the about.svg file and 258k for tutorial.svg.
While some artists will find CVS a useful way to organize their contributions, a sizeable number will not, so long term I think we need a non-CVS solution to this.
So, I figured that putting the clipart in a separate repository would save only a modest amount of bandwidth, but would prevent us from being able to install the clipart in the short term, and wouldn't serve all artists needs in the long term. I think that it is important that we ensure the clipart is installed, to demonstrate that we're embracing this type of contribution. But I also agree that we need a well thought-out long term solution, because if it grows as we hope it will, it will become inconvenient to have in the codebase.
Bryce
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote:
Hi, please, you shouldn't focus on gallery or clipart repository for this software in my opinion, a common opensource repository for all programs should be created, something like creative commons.
A common open source repository for clipart would be wonderful.
I think you might have misunderstood the intent - as I mentioned in the original email, I think what we want is for Inkscape to simply specify "here is how to plug in clipart", and then leave it to other users to organize, package, and distribute the SVG collections.
In the near term, I figure Inkscape can help with some of the packaging and distribution, but long term I hope that the user groups will take this over themselves.
Please see http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ClipartContribution
Instead, I would go for a templates repository for inkscape: cd case vhs case magazine cover lan party banner . . . So a newbie can open it with inkscape, with comments in the regions like: Title goes here. The help tags would have the no print property.
Sounds like a great idea; a collection of templates would be wonderful. Again though, like with clipart I think this is best organized and coordinated by the users and contributors. Inkscape should simply provide the hooks for you to plug these things into.
I also have a feature request: Clone tool. Is it possible with svg? I make an object, clone it (like duplicating) When I change the parent object, all children objects transform into the same object.
This isn't possible currently in the codebase but it has been requested several times previously. Some work has been done along these lines by adding better URI support, so it's hopeful that we'll see this before too long..
Yours: Nestor ps: I am preparing a couple of templates, will you have a Template Repository soon?
Sure, like with clipart, I can give some guidelines for you to create a template collection that'd "plug in" to Inkscape, if you wish to set it up. See:
http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DirectoryReorgProposal http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ClipartContribution
Can you set up a wiki page for template contribution and outlining what people can/should do when creating templates?
Can you make inkscape to recognize templates so you are asked to save as under other name instead of modifing the template? (i.e. svt scalable vectors template)
That's not a bad idea, and especially since folks are working on the file management code right now, this is the right time to request this functionality. Ishmal, what do you think?
Bryce
Bryce Harrington wrote:
That's not a bad idea, and especially since folks are working on the file management code right now, this is the right time to request this functionality. Ishmal, what do you think?
Bryce
Right now, opening any .svg is just opening a file. Clipart would need to be done differently, with maybe thumbnail or preview browsing. And it should be loaded onto the current document, not into a new one, since that is what we have now.
Bob
El Martes 17 Febrero 2004 11:41, Bob Jamison escribió:
Bryce Harrington wrote:
That's not a bad idea, and especially since folks are working on the file management code right now, this is the right time to request this functionality. Ishmal, what do you think?
Bryce
Right now, opening any .svg is just opening a file. Clipart would need to be done differently, with maybe thumbnail or preview browsing. And it should be loaded onto the current document, not into a new one, since that is what we have now.
maybe you can use the viewer inkview for that? just a suggestion. If you can: -make drag and drop available to inkview. -have inkview rendering several svg files in the same window you can use that.
Another idea is to make available for the user to load an external application: gwenview gthumb gqview kwuickshow ... to choose a file and then drag and drop it to inkscape. hope it helps. yours: Néstor
Bob
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Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote:
Another idea is to make available for the user to load an external application: gwenview gthumb gqview kwuickshow ... to choose a file and then drag and drop it to inkscape. hope it helps. yours: Néstor
Keep in mind though, that we use GTK, not Gnone. The functionality of a web-enabled, file-system-enabled browser is not an option. That is Nautilus, which is f***ing huge.
Bob
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
When I change the parent object, all children objects transform into the same object.
This isn't possible currently in the codebase but it has been requested several times previously. Some work has been done along these lines by adding better URI support, so it's hopeful that we'll see this before too long..
IIRC, the basics of <use> have already been implemented -- we just need UI for it.
-mental
MenTaLguY wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
When I change the parent object, all children objects transform into the same object.
This isn't possible currently in the codebase but it has been requested several times previously. Some work has been done along these lines by adding better URI support, so it's hopeful that we'll see this before too long..
IIRC, the basics of <use> have already been implemented -- we just need UI for it.
-mental
True. "Import"ing an svg adds it to the current document.
Bob
El Martes 17 Febrero 2004 09:09, Bryce Harrington escribió:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote:
Hi, please, you shouldn't focus on gallery or clipart repository for this software in my opinion, a common opensource repository for all programs should be created, something like creative commons.
A common open source repository for clipart would be wonderful.
I think you might have misunderstood the intent - as I mentioned in the original email, I think what we want is for Inkscape to simply specify "here is how to plug in clipart", and then leave it to other users to organize, package, and distribute the SVG collections.
Sorry for that, yes I did misunderstand it.
In the near term, I figure Inkscape can help with some of the packaging and distribution, but long term I hope that the user groups will take this over themselves.
Please see http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ClipartContribution
Instead, I would go for a templates repository for inkscape: cd case vhs case magazine cover lan party banner . . . So a newbie can open it with inkscape, with comments in the regions like: Title goes here. The help tags would have the no print property.
Sounds like a great idea; a collection of templates would be wonderful. Again though, like with clipart I think this is best organized and coordinated by the users and contributors. Inkscape should simply provide the hooks for you to plug these things into.
I also have a feature request: Clone tool. Is it possible with svg? I make an object, clone it (like duplicating) When I change the parent object, all children objects transform into the same object.
This isn't possible currently in the codebase but it has been requested several times previously. Some work has been done along these lines by adding better URI support, so it's hopeful that we'll see this before too long..
Yours: Nestor ps: I am preparing a couple of templates, will you have a Template Repository soon?
Sure, like with clipart, I can give some guidelines for you to create a template collection that'd "plug in" to Inkscape, if you wish to set it up. See:
http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DirectoryReorgProposal http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ClipartContributionCan you set up a wiki page for template contribution and outlining what people can/should do when creating templates?
sure
Can you make inkscape to recognize templates so you are asked to save as under other name instead of modifing the template? (i.e. svt scalable vectors template)
That's not a bad idea, and especially since folks are working on the file management code right now, this is the right time to request this functionality. Ishmal, what do you think?
Bryce
On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 02:09, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote:
Hi, please, you shouldn't focus on gallery or clipart repository for this software in my opinion, a common opensource repository for all programs should be created, something like creative commons.
A common open source repository for clipart would be wonderful.
Okay, I applied to Source Forge to get one. I think that this has been something that has been a good idea for a while (since the Sodipodi flags stuff). I've been trying to convince people to do this (non-Inkscape people) for a while. It needs to be done. One of the things that I find frustrating in OOo when making presentations is the lack of clip-art for stuff.
I'll make an announcement here if SF approves it.
This doesn't solve any of the issues on how Inkscape deals with it, but I think it is important to have a collection of clip-art for free software.
--Ted
Great Ted! Would it be ClipMedia or just ClipSvg?
yours: Néstor El Miércoles 18 Febrero 2004 05:13, Ted Gould escribió:
On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 02:09, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote:
Hi, please, you shouldn't focus on gallery or clipart repository for this software in my opinion, a common opensource repository for all programs should be created, something like creative commons.
A common open source repository for clipart would be wonderful.
Okay, I applied to Source Forge to get one. I think that this has been something that has been a good idea for a while (since the Sodipodi flags stuff). I've been trying to convince people to do this (non-Inkscape people) for a while. It needs to be done. One of the things that I find frustrating in OOo when making presentations is the lack of clip-art for stuff.
I'll make an announcement here if SF approves it.
This doesn't solve any of the issues on how Inkscape deals with it, but I think it is important to have a collection of clip-art for free software.
--Ted
On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 23:30, Nestor Diaz Valencia wrote:
Would it be ClipMedia or just ClipSvg?
I was thinking probably PNG and SVG... but I'm fully open to discussion on the subject. Probably best left to a clip art mailing list when (hopefully) it is created in the next couple of days.
--Ted
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