I just hit a short entry on the One Laptop Per Child's interface, and it's chat program. It uses Zeroconf and SVG!
http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2006/05/001414.php
Guess I've got to dust off my old Intel PC to try to get an VM running that now.
Aside from other things, it might be very interesting to get interoperable with that. Perhaps even add that as a "target platform" for Inkscape drawing, etc. like SVG Tiny...
Plus there's mention of a custom protocol. hmmm.....
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 08:59:20PM -0700, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
I just hit a short entry on the One Laptop Per Child's interface, and it's chat program. It uses Zeroconf and SVG!
http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2006/05/001414.php
Guess I've got to dust off my old Intel PC to try to get an VM running that now.
Aside from other things, it might be very interesting to get interoperable with that. Perhaps even add that as a "target platform" for Inkscape drawing, etc. like SVG Tiny...
I like that idea :-)
Plus there's mention of a custom protocol. hmmm.....
Bryce
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
I just hit a short entry on the One Laptop Per Child's interface, and it's chat program. It uses Zeroconf and SVG!
<snip>
Aside from other things, it might be very interesting to get interoperable with that. Perhaps even add that as a "target platform" for Inkscape drawing, etc. like SVG Tiny...
Plus there's mention of a custom protocol. hmmm.....
I don't think it is really practical. It looks like the way things work is that a message is sent as an SVG instead of text. So, basically, the entire chat is a set of SVG files in the same way a standard chat is a set of text files. But, that doesn't really work well in Inkscape's view of files.
I was looking to see if Inkscape would run on these, but the only have 112MB of usable RAM, I think we'd have to significantly focus on memory footprint reduction to make it in there.
--Ted
ted@...11... wrote:
I was looking to see if Inkscape would run on these, but the only have 112MB of usable RAM, I think we'd have to significantly focus on memory footprint reduction to make it in there
Another concern would be the small screen size - for example Abiword has a Summer of Code project to create an interface fitting the OLPC screen.
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Nicu Buculei wrote:
ted@...11... wrote:
I was looking to see if Inkscape would run on these, but the only have 112MB of usable RAM, I think we'd have to significantly focus on memory footprint reduction to make it in there
Another concern would be the small screen size - for example Abiword has a Summer of Code project to create an interface fitting the OLPC screen.
While the demo boxes have a small screen, my understanding was that the final copy is expected to have 1200x800 resolution, which isn't that small (200 dpi I believe). And Abiword works pretty well on my 770, which is 800x400... Odd, but perhaps it can work better!
--Ted
2006. 06. 9, péntek keltezéssel 14.18-kor Ted Gould ezt írta:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Nicu Buculei wrote:
ted@...11... wrote:
I was looking to see if Inkscape would run on these, but the only have 112MB of usable RAM, I think we'd have to significantly focus on memory footprint reduction to make it in there
Another concern would be the small screen size - for example Abiword has a Summer of Code project to create an interface fitting the OLPC screen.
While the demo boxes have a small screen, my understanding was that the final copy is expected to have 1200x800 resolution, which isn't that small (200 dpi I believe). And Abiword works pretty well on my 770, which is 800x400... Odd, but perhaps it can work better!
If I read correctly, the monitor has dual mode, so 1200x900 B&W and 800x480 (?) color mode. So the black and white mode will be usefull for e-book mode. (for this reason there are buttons near the screen)
So if I understand correctly, the problem, is to create a dumped inkscape version, with less capability, no extension, and so on. Perhaps it would be usefull to converting hand drawed diagrams, into more beautiful vector format, and so on.
Btw, is there anybody, who have seriously tried to take note (with a laptop) in a university class? Especially difficult to write down the equation, diagrams and so on. But in a collaborative fashion it would be really easy (2-3 person, one note the text, one write the diagram, etc. So the slower computer aided note will accelerated by 2-3person. In this way it would be usable).
So I think inkscape with the inkboard capability on the horizont has a really good chance to take part in the olpc laptop movement.
What the others think?
Khiraly
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Khiraly wrote:
If I read correctly, the monitor has dual mode, so 1200x900 B&W and 800x480 (?) color mode.
Would be great to adjust the Inkscape user interface so it can work on small screens and portable devices generally. (At the moment the About dialog seems to be the only excessively large dialog.)
So if I understand correctly, the problem, is to create a dumped inkscape version, with less capability, no extension, and so on.
They are more likely to want to use the extensions mechanism to allow users to experiment and learn, than leave them out altogether.
If they decide include a Turtle graphics program hopefuly it would include SVG export and allow users to further embellish their drawings in Inkscape.
Btw, is there anybody, who have seriously tried to take note (with a laptop) in a university class? Especially difficult to write down the equation, diagrams and so on. But in a collaborative fashion it would be really easy (2-3 person, one note the text, one write the diagram, etc. So the slower computer aided note will accelerated by 2-3person. In this way it would be usable).
I've heard of people doing exactly the kind of collaborative note taking you describe using Gobby and efforts are underway to produce a collaborative version of Abiword. http://gobby.0x539.de/
So I think inkscape with the inkboard capability on the horizont has a really good chance to take part in the olpc laptop movement.
So long as inkscape met their performance requirements I'd be surprised if they didn't want to include it.
What the others think?
No harm in asking them, the mailing list are quite friendly and I expect they will give you all kinds of suggestions about the educational aspects they might want to bring out in a drawing program.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 02:59:49PM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
So long as inkscape met their performance requirements I'd be surprised if they didn't want to include it.
IIRC, disk space on the device is limited, and memory even more limited (256M?) so if they do include it, I expect it'd need to be severely stripped down.
Bryce
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 09:31:55AM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 02:59:49PM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
So long as inkscape met their performance requirements I'd be surprised if they didn't want to include it.
IIRC, disk space on the device is limited, and memory even more limited (256M?) so if they do include it, I expect it'd need to be severely stripped down.
Wow, I guessed too high! 500MHz, 128M RAM, 500M HD.
So... My bet is that they'll want a drawing program (possibly SVG based), but stock Inkscape is going to be far too fat to fit. Maybe if we derived an extremely slimmed down, memory-friendly version...
Bryce
Bryce Harrington wrote:
So... My bet is that (OLPC will) want a drawing program (possibly SVG based), but stock Inkscape is going to be far too fat to fit. Maybe if we derived an extremely slimmed down, memory-friendly version...
It would be an extremely worthy goal. If OLPC-compatibility were technically possible, it would be important enough to seek dedicated funding for a slim build profile for inkscape.
The mind boggles at the implications of potentially millions of young people with a world-class vector drawing program within arm's reach throughout their day. Hook them up with creative commons concepts at the inkscape save dialogs, and you're into heady stuff.
2006/6/11, Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...>:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Khiraly wrote:
If I read correctly, the monitor has dual mode, so 1200x900 B&W and 800x480 (?) color mode.
Would be great to adjust the Inkscape user interface so it can work on small screens and portable devices generally. (At the moment the About dialog seems to be the only excessively large dialog.)
So if I understand correctly, the problem, is to create a dumped inkscape version, with less capability, no extension, and so on.
They are more likely to want to use the extensions mechanism to allow users to experiment and learn, than leave them out altogether.
If they decide include a Turtle graphics program hopefuly it would include SVG export and allow users to further embellish their drawings in Inkscape.
Btw, is there anybody, who have seriously tried to take note (with a laptop) in a university class? Especially difficult to write down the equation, diagrams and so on. But in a collaborative fashion it would be really easy (2-3 person, one note the text, one write the diagram, etc. So the slower computer aided note will accelerated by 2-3person. In this way it would be usable).
I've heard of people doing exactly the kind of collaborative note taking you describe using Gobby and efforts are underway to produce a collaborative version of Abiword. http://gobby.0x539.de/
I had once,(mad attack). I used a tablet attached to the computer(USB), tablet PCs are very expensive. IMHO this is going to be normal in the future (as Microsoft tablet PC discovered, people love it because is noiseless, as people talking doesn't like typing sounds). I can use the tablet as a plug in because I'm used to it, but people find it difficult to use at first and desist.
Today there is not Software in Linux to make this. And yes, I don't consider Inkscape useful for taking notes. You need fullscreen(without icons/bars), pages, and I like personally to draw white over black (less eyes strain).
I'm talking of Linux here because it will be the only competitor of M Tablet PC. It will eventually catch and surpass MTP but is going to take time. Right now, it's not easy to install/uninstall a Wacom tablet because of xorg file manual config.
Best Regards Jose Hevia
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Ted Gould wrote:
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:18:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Gould <ted@...11...> To: Nicu Buculei <nicu@...398...> Cc: Inkscape Devel List inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] OLPC and SVG
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Nicu Buculei wrote:
ted@...11... wrote:
I was looking to see if Inkscape would run on these, but the only have 112MB of usable RAM, I think we'd have to significantly focus on memory footprint reduction to make it in there
Another concern would be the small screen size - for example Abiword has a Summer of Code project to create an interface fitting the OLPC screen.
While the demo boxes have a small screen, my understanding was that the final copy is expected to have 1200x800 resolution, which isn't that small (200 dpi I believe). And Abiword works pretty well on my 770, which is 800x400... Odd, but perhaps it can work better!
The project mentioned is as much about simplifying, experimenting, and redesigning the Abiword interface in new ways which might be better for children as it is about fitting it on smaller screens. As you point out a standard copy of abiword fits reasonable well on smaller screens, and has been adapted for smaller screen devices like the Nokia 770 (Maemo).
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