Ubuntu does a really cool thing by holding online "classes" on various topics, like making patches, using Launchpad, doing Screencasts, etc. [1] Other FOSS projects do similar.
I think it would be very worthwhile for us to do something like this - brief 101-level intros to various topics (both usage and development), if enough of us are able to teach.
How it'd work, is we'd set up #inkscape-classroom in IRC with logging, and publish a timeline of classes. The teacher would prepare their lesson plan, including screenshots, sample files, etc., then run the class for 1 hour (max) and answer questions, and afterwards put the IRC log into wiki (and clean it up a bit), for future reference.
Some random ideas for topics:
* Using Live Path Effects * Using Filter Effects * Creating Icons using Inkscape * Web Design using Inkscape * The Open Clip Art Library * Google SoC Primer * Translation 101 * Launchpad 101 * Refactoring 101 * Scripting Effects 101 * Bug Triage * Debugging Inkscape * Maintaining the Inkscape Windows Port etc. etc.
What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? Would you be interested in teaching a class, or have ideas for topics not listed above?
If there's enough interest (6+ teachers), I'll go ahead and start organizing it.
Bryce
What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? Would you be interested in teaching a class, or have ideas for topics not listed above?
If there's enough interest (6+ teachers), I'll go ahead and start organizing it.
I always wanted to do a scientific poster making tutorial, but never found the time. Getting comitted to teach a class on the subject would make me write it.
I'm in.
Albert
sounds like a great idea...
ill help support / create materials for teachers if needed...
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...18...> wrote:
On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? Would you be
interested in teaching a class, or have ideas for topics not listed
above?
Sure. Count me in.
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I'm keen - I'm not particularly good at herding cats so I'd prefer to be the cat myself and perhaps teach a tute.
An area of inkscape which I really enjoy working with and has enough depth for a full tutorial (imo) is clones - so I reckon it's worth adding I've also just gone through a fairly intensive icon creation period for sidux so I can do/help with the icon one as well.
Bernie (cleary)
Sounds really good. Perhaps the Wiki thing could go both ways - as a space both for prep and for summary. The Wiki can be a great asset for beginners, and these sort of things would really help it along.
I've just had a small go at enhancing http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Win32Port http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Win32Port , to help new Windows devs and bug testers, but I'm a bit out of my depth. Perhaps someone could take it another step further with this idea?
Rygle.
Just had a look at the Ubuntu IRC class stuff, for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekgutsy/LP_ManageBugs here .
I still think the classes are a great idea, but after looking at Ubuntu's IRC logs, I wonder whether there is a better medium for information to be delivered apart from IRC first, and then use the IRC stuff as a follow-up.
Some of my concerns about using IRC as a starting point are; * The information can be much better structured than IRC and helped with graphics. The format is very hard on the eyes and hard to find where you are if you lose your place. * The volume of info able to be delivered well over IRC in one hour is very limited and affected by variables like typing speed of the teacher, interruptions, etc. It is also to a degree off the cuff, and so the quality of the information is affected. Even if the material is pre-prepared to enhance the quality, with IRC the teacher is left copying and pasting or whatever. * It's hard to communicate an idea, give the student time to work with it, and then get feedback or field questions, given the time frame. Better to deliver the major ideas beforehand in some other format, and be able to refer back to diagram 3, or point 2 under the heading "How to ..." * I guess a lot of this comes down to quality of communication, which for foundational stuff is pretty important. IMHO, IRC or similar is better for follow up of some pre-prepared stuff that can be an assumed pre-requisite.
Some other possible ways to communicate this information well; * The wiki is capable of delivering well structured notes that can be a spring board for later stuff * Alternately we could have some other tutorial stuff in SVG or PDF format available online, and then follow with IRC * I love heathenx's videos - they have worked very well for some Inkscape virgins I am trying to help. Video is a bit harder to make, and can be much less useful for certain topics like coding, but can be very valuable in other areas. If content delivery is a hassle, then at the least there is YouTube.
Cheers,
Rygle
If it was stable, this is the kinda thing that inkboard would be ideal for. teacher could just share his doc and do the demo on the fly.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM, rygle <pittos@...1208...> wrote:
Just had a look at the Ubuntu IRC class stuff, for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekgutsy/LP_ManageBugs here .
I still think the classes are a great idea, but after looking at Ubuntu's IRC logs, I wonder whether there is a better medium for information to be delivered apart from IRC first, and then use the IRC stuff as a follow-up.
Some of my concerns about using IRC as a starting point are;
- The information can be much better structured than IRC and helped with
graphics. The format is very hard on the eyes and hard to find where you are if you lose your place.
- The volume of info able to be delivered well over IRC in one hour is
very limited and affected by variables like typing speed of the teacher, interruptions, etc. It is also to a degree off the cuff, and so the quality of the information is affected. Even if the material is pre-prepared to enhance the quality, with IRC the teacher is left copying and pasting or whatever.
- It's hard to communicate an idea, give the student time to work with it,
and then get feedback or field questions, given the time frame. Better to deliver the major ideas beforehand in some other format, and be able to refer back to diagram 3, or point 2 under the heading "How to ..."
- I guess a lot of this comes down to quality of communication, which for
foundational stuff is pretty important. IMHO, IRC or similar is better for follow up of some pre-prepared stuff that can be an assumed pre-requisite.
Some other possible ways to communicate this information well;
- The wiki is capable of delivering well structured notes that can be a
spring board for later stuff
- Alternately we could have some other tutorial stuff in SVG or PDF format
available online, and then follow with IRC
- I love heathenx's videos - they have worked very well for some Inkscape
virgins I am trying to help. Video is a bit harder to make, and can be much less useful for certain topics like coding, but can be very valuable in other areas. If content delivery is a hassle, then at the least there is YouTube.
Cheers,
Rygle
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:12 AM, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
If it was stable, this is the kinda thing that inkboard would be ideal for. teacher could just share his doc and do the demo on the fly.
This is a chicken and egg problem though - currently noone is using Inkboard, so noone is inclined to work on it and make it useable. If we could get a process started that would be significantly improved with the Inkboard tool then somebody is much more likely to scratch the itch.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:46:21PM +1100, Bernard Gray wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:12 AM, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
If it was stable, this is the kinda thing that inkboard would be ideal for. teacher could just share his doc and do the demo on the fly.
This is a chicken and egg problem though - currently noone is using Inkboard, so noone is inclined to work on it and make it useable. If we could get a process started that would be significantly improved with the Inkboard tool then somebody is much more likely to scratch the itch.
Would anyone like to run a session about Inkboard? Perhaps describing how to set up a server, pointing out a few of the bugs, and outlining work needing to be done, could be quite valuable.
Bryce
Inkboard would be perfect for user tutorials.
Given 2 weeks I think I could put inkboard into a workable state, then it would be good to have a session about its use / future. If somone else is committing to getting it workable I wont step on any toes.
If noone else heads it up, can somone give me a start on how to create dockable dialogs, it sounds like a minor issue but testing inkboard with the amount of dialogs you have to manage got fustrating quickly.
On 14/03/2008, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1798...> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:46:21PM +1100, Bernard Gray wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:12 AM, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...>
wrote:
If it was stable, this is the kinda thing that inkboard would be ideal
for.
teacher could just share his doc and do the demo on the fly.
This is a chicken and egg problem though - currently noone is using Inkboard, so noone is inclined to work on it and make it useable. If we could get a process started that would be significantly improved with the Inkboard tool then somebody is much more likely to scratch the itch.
Would anyone like to run a session about Inkboard? Perhaps describing how to set up a server, pointing out a few of the bugs, and outlining work needing to be done, could be quite valuable.
Bryce
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 06:03:37AM -0700, rygle wrote:
I still think the classes are a great idea, but after looking at Ubuntu's IRC logs, I wonder whether there is a better medium for information to be delivered apart from IRC first, and then use the IRC stuff as a follow-up.
It may not be evident what the value of these are. The IRC sessions are not intended to be comprehensive, but short introductory pieces. The idea is that someone with 0 knowledge on the topic can sit in and absorb enough to whet their appetite.
But you're right that the maximum effect is gained when there are supplemental docs. In some cases where there are pre-existing documentation, the IRC sessions can be just summaries of them, highlighting the important bits. In other cases, unfortunately no documentation exists, but that's okay - the IRC sessions provide a motivation and opportunity to generate them: The teacher might write up some course notes, or the students might help in converting the raw IRC logs into something more formal.
Bryce
Bryce Harrington-5 wrote:
It may not be evident what the value of these are. The IRC sessions are not intended to be comprehensive, but short introductory pieces. The idea is that someone with 0 knowledge on the topic can sit in and absorb enough to whet their appetite.
OK. Didn't fully understand that. I think it would still work better bouncing off even a one page thing prepared before hand. It seemed that the example I linked to before took an hour to get out less than a page worth of material.
Bryce Harrington-5 wrote:
In other cases, unfortunately no documentation exists, but that's okay - the IRC sessions provide a motivation and opportunity to generate them: The teacher might write up some course notes, or the students might help in converting the raw IRC logs into something more formal.
I guess I was thinking that if someone is going to put any effort into thinking about what to say before hand, then it would make sense to use the Wiki as a scratch pad/work in progress. That might also help others who want to collaborate and offer feedback. But if it only happens after the fact, then it's still a win-win situation.
Hopefully this would be an iterative process where last time's IRC chat becomes next time's kick off notes. A lot like the FOSS programming model.
Cheers, Rygle.
Bryce Harrington wrote:
Ubuntu does a really cool thing by holding online "classes" on various topics, like making patches, using Launchpad, doing Screencasts, etc. [1] Other FOSS projects do similar.
I think it would be very worthwhile for us to do something like this - brief 101-level intros to various topics (both usage and development), if enough of us are able to teach.
How it'd work, is we'd set up #inkscape-classroom in IRC with logging, and publish a timeline of classes. The teacher would prepare their lesson plan, including screenshots, sample files, etc., then run the class for 1 hour (max) and answer questions, and afterwards put the IRC log into wiki (and clean it up a bit), for future reference.
Some random ideas for topics:
- Using Live Path Effects
- Using Filter Effects
- Creating Icons using Inkscape
- Web Design using Inkscape
- The Open Clip Art Library
- Google SoC Primer
- Translation 101
- Launchpad 101
- Refactoring 101
- Scripting Effects 101
- Bug Triage
- Debugging Inkscape
- Maintaining the Inkscape Windows Port
etc. etc.
What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? Would you be interested in teaching a class, or have ideas for topics not listed above?
If there's enough interest (6+ teachers), I'll go ahead and start organizing it.
Bryce
Hi I am new to Inkscape as well as this list. This mail is partially a welcome & introduction and partially an offer to help.
I have basic experience using Inkscape and creating content (http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=205547) It's LEGO (ie the toy with the bricks) stuff which were accepted with interest from LEGO on-line communities.
I also have 3 years of teaching experience with MySQL (teaching assistance in university undergraduate and postgraduate database courses).
I am currently in state of learning beyond the basic usage of inkscape and this process interest me alot. I know that I am not the most fitting person for "teaching" Inckscape, but I could give a hand with minor tasks like reviewing material or helping prior to a class. I'd be happy to help somehow.
Moreover, I took took part in Google SOC 2007 with MySQL. SOC 2008 & Inkscape interests me a lot. I am currently looking the proposals and various available docs and peeking in the code.
Regards Vangelis Katsikaros
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To determine what times would be best to run these, I did an analysis of #inkscape IRC log comments for the past 6 months. This counts IRC and Jabber comments but not join/quit messages:
Time #Cmt Score 00:00 5783 ***** 01:00 6994 ****** 02:00 6998 ****** 03:00 6867 ****** 04:00 5427 ***** 05:00 4926 **** 06:00 3405 *** 07:00 3224 *** 08:00 2176 ** 09:00 2254 ** 10:00 1655 * 11:00 2185 ** 12:00 3026 *** 13:00 3059 *** 14:00 2989 ** 15:00 4775 **** 16:00 5101 ***** 17:00 5459 ***** 18:00 7227 ******* 19:00 7186 ******* 20:00 7719 ******* 21:00 9296 ********* 22:00 8944 ******** 23:00 6825 ******
From this, it looks like the best times are 18:00-03:00 UTC.
Bryce
Thanks everyone who volunteered to teach classes, it looks like there's enough basic interest, although we'll need more to cover enough topics.
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape_Classes
Bernard, Albert, and Dale, I've listed the classes you expressed interest in teaching; please select a time that is convenient for you to hold the sessions.
Ted, could you do a class on doxygen code docs?
Ryan Lerch, could you and Tom tackle teaching the 'Bug Triage' class?
Jon Cruz, could you cover a class on unit testing using cxxtest?
Mental, I think we desperately need a class on code refactoring - would you mind putting something together on this? (It would also be great if you could co-pilot the cxxtest class.)
Bulia, would you mind giving a class on using filter effects? If you're open to doing a second class and don't have something else already in mind, one about how to code filter effects would be quite valuable.
Ishmal, can you hold a session on Maintaining the Win32 Port, with a focus on how to get involved in fixing windows bugs reported in launchpad, including how to build and develop Inkscape on Windows? I expect there'll also be questions about building Inkscape using Visual C++ or other IDEs.
Tavmjong, your book is an excellent resource for users needing to learn Inkscape in and out - could you do a "book talk" on it, perhaps highlighting a couple topics, and where to obtain it?
Gail, since you've been strongly involved with GSoC and helping students in general, would you mind running a session on GSoC for Inkscape, that covers the general questions, and gives students some time to discuss and get feedback on their proposals?
Inc, could you hold a session on using Drupal? Explain the basics - how to access it, sign up for accounts, create/edit pages, etc.
ACSpike, would you mind doing one on scripting extensions for Inkscape?
Maximilian, it would be great if you could give a basic overview of the 3D tool infrastructure from a development point of view, and outline/brainstorm where it can be taken from here, with pointers to key bugs needing solved, and resources that may be of value to developers in the future.
Luca, Adib, and Prokoudine, obviously it's too late for 0.46 and too early for 0.47, but I think it's important to include some translation training in this program. Would you mind running a session on either an overview of translation, or perhaps focusing on specific issues relating to i18n/l10n that need improved in inkscape (code, web, docs, ...)? (Or both)
Johan Engelen, could you run a class on Using Live Path Effects?
Miklos Erdelyi, could you hold a session on the state of PDF support in Inkscape, highlighting future work needing to be done, and to provide a forum for discussing existing bugs reported against PDF and the steps involved in troubleshooting them?
ScislaC, could you run a session on Writing Tutorials for Inkscape? An overview of the entire process end to end (including initial content generation, then on to converting into XML, and finally integration into Inkscape and placement into the Help menu).
Nicu, you've done a huge amount of great tutorials for Inkscape. Would you mind holding a session aimed at helping newbie artists develop their Inkscape artistic skills? It could point to key exercises to master, and techniques for getting more out of Inkscape.
microUgly, I love your 'Quick Guide to Inkscape', would you be willing to give a 'Inkscape for Illustrator Users' class, to present your quick guide and answer questions from those looking to transition from Illustrator?
I'd also like to see additional classes on using inkscape. In addition to Nicu's work[0], I see there a lot of great tutorials out there, on topics such as drawing hair[1], creating diagrams[2], 3D basic shapes[3], text tricks[4], metal orbs[5], icons[6], and lots more[7,8]. Would people be willing to volunteer for these or other topics? Basically just point people to the tutorial to work through, and be online to answer questions they have as they work their way through it.
Bryce
0. http://howto.nicubunu.ro/ 1. http://chrisdesign.wordpress.com/2007/12/29/drawing-hairs/ 2. http://www.ioncannon.net/utilities/123/10-tips-for-creating-good-looking-dia... 3. http://raikardesigns.blogspot.com/2007/09/illustrating-3d-objects-in-inkscap... 4. http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/articles/media/inkscape-text-tricks.php 5. http://chrisdesign.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/simple-metal-orb-using-gradients... 6. http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=InkscapeIconBasicsEN 7. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/TutorialsAndHelp 8. http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1798...> wrote:
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape_Classes
Bernard, Albert, and Dale, I've listed the classes you expressed interest in teaching; please select a time that is convenient for you to hold the sessions.
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
P.S. I bags 20:00 UTC Monday and Wednesday ;) (unfortunately it's not the most convenient of times being early mornings on a weekday so I can't really be very flexible)
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:25:23PM +1100, Bernard Gray wrote:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1798...> wrote:
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape_Classes
Bernard, Albert, and Dale, I've listed the classes you expressed interest in teaching; please select a time that is convenient for you to hold the sessions.
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
Hmm, are you able to edit the wiki at all? Is it just the table format that is causing confusion?
P.S. I bags 20:00 UTC Monday and Wednesday ;) (unfortunately it's not the most convenient of times being early mornings on a weekday so I can't really be very flexible)
Thanks, got you down.
Hmm, good point about weekdays... I've shifted the schedule a couple days so that it also covers the weekend of the 29-30th.
Bryce
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
Hmm, are you able to edit the wiki at all? Is it just the table format that is causing confusion?
It's just the table - I've logged in (username: cleary), the headings all have an [edit] link next to them, the table doesn't. I can't see a page edit link anywhere either - I've also updated some of my clone wiki notes but I can't create a heading to add the links in the wiki page.
P.S. I bags 20:00 UTC Monday and Wednesday ;) (unfortunately it's not the most convenient of times being early mornings on a weekday so I can't really be very flexible)
Thanks, got you down.
Hmm, good point about weekdays... I've shifted the schedule a couple days so that it also covers the weekend of the 29-30th.
Bryce
Cool - I'll be able to sit in on a few more hopefully :)
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 03:12:43PM +1100, Bernard Gray wrote:
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
Hmm, are you able to edit the wiki at all? Is it just the table format that is causing confusion?
It's just the table - I've logged in (username: cleary), the headings all have an [edit] link next to them, the table doesn't. I can't see a page edit link anywhere either - I've also updated some of my clone wiki notes but I can't create a heading to add the links in the wiki page.
Ahh... There should be an edit link on the far left in the menu that will allow editing the whole thing.
P.S. I bags 20:00 UTC Monday and Wednesday ;) (unfortunately it's not the most convenient of times being early mornings on a weekday so I can't really be very flexible)
Thanks, got you down.
Hmm, good point about weekdays... I've shifted the schedule a couple days so that it also covers the weekend of the 29-30th.
Bryce
Cool - I'll be able to sit in on a few more hopefully :)
Bryce
Bernard Gray wrote:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1798...> wrote:
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape_Classes
Bernard, Albert, and Dale, I've listed the classes you expressed interest in teaching; please select a time that is convenient for you to hold the sessions.
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
Same here: can't edit the table. If you can put it in, I'd choose April 1st, 22:00 UTC (i.e. 8 PM in USA East Coast, where I am/will be by then).
Albert
Same here: can't edit the table. If you can put it in, I'd choose April 1st, 22:00 UTC (i.e. 8 PM in USA East Coast, where I am/will be by then).
Albert
Hi Albert, the page edit link is an unobtrusive "Edit" in the menu on the left hand side of the page - I've added your class where you requested though :)
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:38:02PM -0400, Albert Cardona wrote:
Bernard Gray wrote:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1798...> wrote:
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape_Classes
Bernard, Albert, and Dale, I've listed the classes you expressed interest in teaching; please select a time that is convenient for you to hold the sessions.
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
Same here: can't edit the table. If you can put it in, I'd choose April 1st, 22:00 UTC (i.e. 8 PM in USA East Coast, where I am/will be by then).
Looks like someone got you in. Yeah, I see with the way our current theme works, it's unclear how to edit the entire page. I've added a heading above the table so there's a handy edit link now.
(For future reference, there's a edit link for editing the whole page over on the left side of the page.)
Bryce
Hi Bryce, I'd love to but I can't seem to find a way to edit the table on the wiki :/
Same here: can't edit the table. If you can put it in, I'd choose April 1st, 22:00 UTC (i.e. 8 PM in USA East Coast, where I am/will be by then).
Looks like someone got you in. Yeah, I see with the way our current theme works, it's unclear how to edit the entire page. I've added a heading above the table so there's a handy edit link now.
(For future reference, there's a edit link for editing the whole page over on the left side of the page.)
Bryce
Thanks guys, will edit the contents page ASAP.
Albert
I would be happy to help do some pre or post class cleanups for this stuff in Wiki in consultation with the appropriate people.
Rygle.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 05:29:25AM -0700, rygle wrote:
I would be happy to help do some pre or post class cleanups for this stuff in Wiki in consultation with the appropriate people.
That would be great - could you keep an eye on the Inkscape_Classes and assist with making the linked pages have consistent information, and copyediting where needed?
Thanks, Bryce
Bryce Harrington schrieb:
Thanks everyone who volunteered to teach classes, it looks like there's enough basic interest, although we'll need more to cover enough topics.
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
Sorry, but I'm totally confused by the dates. First of all, does April really have a 31st? :) Second, the dates seem not to coincide at all with the weekdays listed. Did you instead have March 31 to April 4 (or with the shifted schedule March 29 to April 2) have in mind?
Thanks for clarifying, Max
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:33:59AM +0100, Maximilian Albert wrote:
Bryce Harrington schrieb:
Thanks everyone who volunteered to teach classes, it looks like there's enough basic interest, although we'll need more to cover enough topics.
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
Sorry, but I'm totally confused by the dates. First of all, does April really have a 31st? :) Second, the dates seem not to coincide at all with the weekdays listed. Did you instead have March 31 to April 4 (or with the shifted schedule March 29 to April 2) have in mind?
Thanks for clarifying,
Oh man I screwed that up bad. Yes you're guess is right, I meant March 29 to April 2. Sorry about that. I've fixed the wiki.
Bryce
Bryce Harrington wrote:
Oh man I screwed that up bad. Yes you're guess is right, I meant March 29 to April 2. Sorry about that. I've fixed the wiki.
I'm very sorry, but with this new (corrected) date I don't see a way how I can possibly fit this in my schedule, especially with my upcoming exam. So I need to sit out this time. :( But I hope there will be more opportunities like this and I'll be glad to do a class next time.
Max
Bryce Harrington wrote:
Nicu, you've done a huge amount of great tutorials for Inkscape. Would you mind holding a session aimed at helping newbie artists develop their Inkscape artistic skills? It could point to key exercises to master, and techniques for getting more out of Inkscape.
It sound interesting, I will consider doing it.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:12:27AM -0700, Ted Gould wrote:
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 13:13 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Ted, could you do a class on doxygen code docs?
I don't mind talking, but what do people want to hear on this subject?
A basic overview and examples of what makes good docs, plus mentioning areas where we need to improve. Also, how to generate the docs manually from the source tree, so people can check their work.
Bryce
-----Original Message----- From: inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Bryce Harrington Sent: zaterdag 15 maart 2008 21:13 To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Classes - Apr 31 to May 4
Johan Engelen, could you run a class on Using Live Path Effects?
Because I am uncertain about my time schedule at that time, I'd like to pass, sorry :/
Josh: perhaps you can show people how to make hair?
Also, JFB might be interested in talking about Creating Live Path Effects ?
Cheers, Johan
Thanks Bernard, Albert, Dale, and others who volunteered for this, but due to lack of general response we'll have to pull the plug on this. I think your topics would make excellent tutorials, if you'd be interested in pursuing that angle.
Bryce
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 01:13:22PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Thanks everyone who volunteered to teach classes, it looks like there's enough basic interest, although we'll need more to cover enough topics.
Here is a page for organizing and scheduling:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape_Classes
Bernard, Albert, and Dale, I've listed the classes you expressed interest in teaching; please select a time that is convenient for you to hold the sessions.
Ted, could you do a class on doxygen code docs?
Ryan Lerch, could you and Tom tackle teaching the 'Bug Triage' class?
Jon Cruz, could you cover a class on unit testing using cxxtest?
Mental, I think we desperately need a class on code refactoring - would you mind putting something together on this? (It would also be great if you could co-pilot the cxxtest class.)
Bulia, would you mind giving a class on using filter effects? If you're open to doing a second class and don't have something else already in mind, one about how to code filter effects would be quite valuable.
Ishmal, can you hold a session on Maintaining the Win32 Port, with a focus on how to get involved in fixing windows bugs reported in launchpad, including how to build and develop Inkscape on Windows? I expect there'll also be questions about building Inkscape using Visual C++ or other IDEs.
Tavmjong, your book is an excellent resource for users needing to learn Inkscape in and out - could you do a "book talk" on it, perhaps highlighting a couple topics, and where to obtain it?
Gail, since you've been strongly involved with GSoC and helping students in general, would you mind running a session on GSoC for Inkscape, that covers the general questions, and gives students some time to discuss and get feedback on their proposals?
Inc, could you hold a session on using Drupal? Explain the basics - how to access it, sign up for accounts, create/edit pages, etc.
ACSpike, would you mind doing one on scripting extensions for Inkscape?
Maximilian, it would be great if you could give a basic overview of the 3D tool infrastructure from a development point of view, and outline/brainstorm where it can be taken from here, with pointers to key bugs needing solved, and resources that may be of value to developers in the future.
Luca, Adib, and Prokoudine, obviously it's too late for 0.46 and too early for 0.47, but I think it's important to include some translation training in this program. Would you mind running a session on either an overview of translation, or perhaps focusing on specific issues relating to i18n/l10n that need improved in inkscape (code, web, docs, ...)? (Or both)
Johan Engelen, could you run a class on Using Live Path Effects?
Miklos Erdelyi, could you hold a session on the state of PDF support in Inkscape, highlighting future work needing to be done, and to provide a forum for discussing existing bugs reported against PDF and the steps involved in troubleshooting them?
ScislaC, could you run a session on Writing Tutorials for Inkscape? An overview of the entire process end to end (including initial content generation, then on to converting into XML, and finally integration into Inkscape and placement into the Help menu).
Nicu, you've done a huge amount of great tutorials for Inkscape. Would you mind holding a session aimed at helping newbie artists develop their Inkscape artistic skills? It could point to key exercises to master, and techniques for getting more out of Inkscape.
microUgly, I love your 'Quick Guide to Inkscape', would you be willing to give a 'Inkscape for Illustrator Users' class, to present your quick guide and answer questions from those looking to transition from Illustrator?
I'd also like to see additional classes on using inkscape. In addition to Nicu's work[0], I see there a lot of great tutorials out there, on topics such as drawing hair[1], creating diagrams[2], 3D basic shapes[3], text tricks[4], metal orbs[5], icons[6], and lots more[7,8]. Would people be willing to volunteer for these or other topics? Basically just point people to the tutorial to work through, and be online to answer questions they have as they work their way through it.
Bryce
- http://howto.nicubunu.ro/
- http://chrisdesign.wordpress.com/2007/12/29/drawing-hairs/
- http://www.ioncannon.net/utilities/123/10-tips-for-creating-good-looking-dia...
- http://raikardesigns.blogspot.com/2007/09/illustrating-3d-objects-in-inkscap...
- http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/articles/media/inkscape-text-tricks.php
- http://chrisdesign.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/simple-metal-orb-using-gradients...
- http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=InkscapeIconBasicsEN
- http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/TutorialsAndHelp
- http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...1798...> wrote:
Thanks Bernard, Albert, Dale, and others who volunteered for this, but due to lack of general response we'll have to pull the plug on this. I think your topics would make excellent tutorials, if you'd be interested in pursuing that angle.
Bryce
That's a shame - regardless, I'd already pursued the tutorial angle prior to these classes. The clones and icon tutes reside @ http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=InkscapeVectorGraphicsEN if anyone is interested in checking them out :)
I'll be up for it if the opportunity presents itself again.
Bernie
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 04:30:13PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Some random ideas for topics:
- Using Live Path Effects
- Using Filter Effects
- Creating Icons using Inkscape
- Web Design using Inkscape
- The Open Clip Art Library
- Google SoC Primer
- Translation 101
- Launchpad 101
- Refactoring 101
- Scripting Effects 101
- Bug Triage
- Debugging Inkscape
- Maintaining the Inkscape Windows Port
etc. etc.
What do you guys think? Does this sound like a good idea? Would you be interested in teaching a class, or have ideas for topics not listed above?
I was, among other things, a CS and Physics teacher for the last 8 years or so and would be glad if I could help. My time is somewhat constrained recently with an arrival of a new family member but I think I could prepare something re: Translation. Do you think something like a live web cast could work? I am sure we could find a suitable platform.
Regards, -- Marcin Floryan http://marcin.floryan.pl/ [GPG Key ID: 0D5581C5]
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