On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...>
To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...>
Cc: Inkscape Devel List <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] GNOME HIG
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Alan Horkan wrote:
> You are thinking in terms of what would be most useful to the developers,
> a graphics or creative suite is a user focussed idea. Idea like the Gnome
> Desktop or a Graphics Suite are high level groupings and I dont think they
> in any way preclude working closely with Xorg as well.
> I feel I must say again that being part of the Gnome community really does
> not mean you have to add Gnome specific dependancies or in any way neglect
> cross platform development.
Hmm, maybe that's true in theory, but that wasn't the sense I got.
Seemed like they were mostly interested in getting us to use their
libs and making a plugin so to give graphics editing capabilities for
the other apps. So other than the libs (which we can use anyway
regardless), it wasn't clear what benefit Inkscape would get..
The benifits for open source developers in technical are not very big,
these groupings are mostly about marketing.
The things Gnome Office wants from Inkscape (reuse of libraries, a better
vector canvas they can share, etc) are things that are planned for the
long term anyway (I'm basing this on the roadmap).
If being part of an office suite is helpful for users,
Given that Gnome-office is very much focussed on Abiword and Gnumeric (and
libgda) at the moment would not make sense for Inkscape to be part of
If Gnome Office were much broader it might make some sense, I mean
Microsoft inlcude Visio in some versions of Office. Gnome Office was
supposed to be about getting different applications to interoperate and
share code but that happend more on a direct app to app basis rather than
through Gnome Office specifically bring in new develoepers. Gnome Office
provide a concept, a convenient banner, and regular reminder of the need
for improved integration more than anything else. Only since OpenOffice
came to dominate has Gnome Office refocussed and made moves to better
integrate a few apps.
The notion of being part of Gnome Office was just because there was no
'Creative Suite'. Really it makes most sense to have Inkscape and the
Gimp work well together.
The whole idea of a Creative Suite is so much about branding and packaging
that it is almost meaningless in a linux distribution. If you are selling
your software packing all together and offering a bulk discount to keep
users on your less popurlar products by leveraging the better ones makes
sense. If you have gone to the trouble of integrating things it makes
sense to use that to help market your product, but of course when you are
not heavily marketing your product it is moot.
If you are using something like apt-get it is just be a shorthand for
downloading more than one application at once, and if you use a boxed set
linux distribution everything is already bundled together.
I realise it is not a big deal.
then wouldn't OpenOffice be the suite to join?
(differnt toolkit, and it already has a Drawing appliction so no)
I dunno, it seems like the best thing for Inkscape is to try to be a
good app that'd work okay with whatever suite.
Yeah of course, I guess I've made to much of a minor issue.
My point in brining up Gnome Office is to make sure that thinks like the
shared canvas, cut/paste, drag/drop are somewhere on the roadmap and that
some consideration is given to sharing standards (gnome-office is looking
to have some sort of plugin standard too they just haven't gotten around
to it yet either). I just want to make sure the options are considered,
if it seems like I'm trying to burden Inkscape with too many short term
expections then I apologise for that but I do have big expectations for
Inkscape in the long term. I hope to be using Inkscape for years to come.
If there'd be something specific to gain from joining a suite,
but if it only means more development expectations... well we've
already got a lot to do...
I'd best stop distracting you from it, hadn't I ;)